# The Oklahoma School Board and 11 year old Muslim girls. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868 "2003-10-11T17:54:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mr.Babbington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Mr.Babbington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Babbington)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/1 "2003-10-11T17:54:21Z")
[Girl Suspended from class.](http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/10/11/scarf.reut/index.html) So she was wearing a head scarf, 11 years old, probably playing around at recess. Some stupid teacher thought, “Oh Lord Jesus, help me through my time of trouble! There are terrorists in our midst!!! And they are getting younger and younger! We have to rid ourselves of this corrupting influence!” And it happenned on September 11! What the fuck is wrong with people? Don’t these morons know where to pick their fights? I mean, I grew up in New York. Unlike most places in the country, we had a lot of Jewish people. Who wore yarmulkes. Who were NOT told to take them off because they werent part of the dress code, because it was a religious thing. It’s just common respect for others. Why can’t they just leave the kid alone and let her play with her friends at recess? Maybe I’m crazy, but I would bet my fortune (albeit meager) that she is not definitely NOT a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/2 "2003-10-11T18:03:59Z")
Again. Un-fucking-believable. I think this has been Biblical stupidity week, from the Pope advocating against condoms to this. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/3 "2003-10-11T18:08:28Z")
Don’t forget Pat Robertson’s expressed desire to nuke the State Department. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/4 "2003-10-11T18:21:38Z")
> [@](#): > > _I’m proud to be an Okie from Muskogee, > A place where even squares can have a ball > We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse, > And white lightnin’s still the biggest thrill of all._ The Muskogee school board ought to be suspended from _a lanyard_. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Babbington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Mr.Babbington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Babbington)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/5 "2003-10-11T18:24:12Z")
Perhaps there IS a reason Oklahoma was called “unorganized territories” for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/6 "2003-10-11T18:31:58Z")
As tolerance takes another kick to the short-and-curlies. ---
**Author:** ![Daisy\_Cutter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Daisy\_Cutter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daisy_Cutter)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/7 "2003-10-11T18:41:40Z")
Well, if people had bothered to read that article, it states that under that rule a yarmulke would also be in violation and not permitted. I remember when I was in elementary school, nobody was permitted to wear baseball caps or any kind of headgear inside class. If somebodies religious beliefs are so important to them, that they demand special treatment every 5 seconds, then they should go to a private, religious school and they can wear ninja outfits to school for all I care. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/8 "2003-10-11T18:42:59Z")
I was going to start a Pit thread on this. Thank you for saving me the trouble. Un-fucking-believable. And the atty. for the school system even admits they wouldn’t let Jews wear yarmulkes, either. I suppose Sikhs would be out of luck too. This is really, really going too far. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Babbington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Mr.Babbington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Babbington)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/9 "2003-10-11T18:46:29Z")
**Daisy Cutter** , I find it interesting that your name is also the name of a hideous bomb. I assume you are Christian. If you were told you could not wear a cross on a chain, because there is a prohibition on shiny things, you would be screaming up a storm. I read the article. The fact is, you moron, ALL religious intolerance is stupid. Go back to Afghanistan where, I dare say, you were much more effective in getting your way. ---
**Author:** ![Fionn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fionn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fionn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/10 "2003-10-11T18:55:31Z")
What a ridiculous policy. The high school I went to wasn’t exactly a beacon of enlightenment, but even they allowed students to wear hijabs. I assume they would have allowed yarmulkes or turbans as well. ---
**Author:** ![Daisy\_Cutter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Daisy\_Cutter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daisy_Cutter)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/11 "2003-10-11T19:10:07Z")
Babbington, not all religious intolerance is a bad thing. As an example, religious intolerance should be practiced in jails. Criminals should not enjoy any religious freedoms or special circumstances/food while they are incarcerated, regardless of what religion they belong to. So I disagree with you on that point. Do you know how many different religions we have in our jail systems ? Tons of them. I believe in the hundreds, just in New York state alone. Any crackjob can start up their own religion, doesn’t mean we have to tolerate it, or accept it, or accomodate it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/12 "2003-10-11T19:12:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Any crackjob can start up their own religion, doesn’t mean we have to tolerate it, or accept it, or accomodate it. Just because some crackjob started up Christianity, or Buddhism, or Islam, or Judaism, doesn’t mean we have to tolerate it, or accept it, or accomodate it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/13 "2003-10-11T19:14:32Z")
Shit, thats just fucking unbelieveable. When I was in college we had a large portion of Middle Eastern men and women attending. To me seeing a woman in full traditional clothing except the veil is nothing surprising. I agree **Mr. Babbington**. People like Daisy Cutter think that it fairness only applies to them. You’d have mass riots here in Utah if there were rules against wearing **CTR** rings. > [@](#): > > If somebodies religious beliefs are so important to them, that they demand special treatment every 5 seconds, then they should go to a private, religious school and they can wear ninja outfits to school for all I care. Separate but equal is STILL illegal darlin. And so going on YOUR opinion my child attends public school about time they stop with the pledge that mentions God. No crosses should be allowed in the school, no **CTR** rings for the LDS kids. Don’t like that? Go to the Catholic Church up the street then. _goes out to the truck to get her Buddhist beads_ ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/14 "2003-10-11T19:15:58Z")
Oh, I love this part of the article: > [@](#): > > School officials instituted a dress code in 1997 prohibiting the wearing of hats and other head coverings indoors. Officials said they implemented the code to stem gang-related activity. “Dayum, we can’t sell drugs and shoot at each other without our hats!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/15 "2003-10-11T19:18:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > \*\* > As an example, religious intolerance should be practiced in jails. > > Criminals should not enjoy any religious freedoms or special circumstances/food while they are incarcerated, regardless of what religion they belong to. So I disagree with you on that point. > > Do you know how many different religions we have in our jail systems ? Tons of them. I believe in the hundreds, just in New York state alone. > > \*\* I definately dont get this one. Are you saying that jails are founts of religion? I will chat up my cousins who are jailors on the subject. are you trying to say people in jail get religion? That sounds like a good thing to me. People in jails start up new religions? I think your trying way to hard to look like a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/16 "2003-10-11T19:26:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > \*\* > Criminals should not enjoy any religious freedoms or special circumstances/food while they are incarcerated, regardless of what religion they belong to. So I disagree with you on that point. \*\* How come? Are you saying no one should be allowed to practice his religion in jail/prison? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/17 "2003-10-11T19:28:54Z")
DAISY CUTTER – DAISY CUTTER – > [@](#): > > As an example, religious intolerance should be practiced in jails. > > Criminals should not enjoy any religious freedoms or special circumstances/food while they are incarcerated, regardless of what religion they belong to. So I disagree with you on that point. I’m curious as to why you would think, not just that religious tolerance should be curtailed to the extent necessary to further legitimate penalogical interests, but that religious _intolerance_ should be _practiced_ by the government with regard to prisoners. But whatever your reasoning, as it happens, you are wrong. The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (42 USC sec. 2000cc) provides: > [@](#): > > No government shall impose a substantial burden on the religious exercise of a person residing in or confined to an institution, as defined in section 1997 of this title, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, unless the government demonstrates that imposition of the burden on that person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest. So prisoners _are_ allowed to practice their religions, and the government may not interfere in that practice or curtail it unless it can show _both_ that they have to interfere _and_ there’s no less intrusive means of accomplishing the same end, short of the interference. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/18 "2003-10-11T19:41:18Z")
You guys have it all wrong. These rules are designed to PROTECT the CHILDREN from GANGS and DRUGS. And surely your news reports are filled with horrible shootouts between drug gangs made up of 11 year old Muslim girls wearing hijabs, right? Won’t someone think of the children? ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_believe_that_s_butter)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/19 "2003-10-11T19:45:47Z")
Absolutely shameful. It’s times like these (as well as others) that I feel ashamed to share a state with intolerance such as this, as well as people who support said intolerance. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868/20 "2003-10-11T19:55:02Z")
Jodi: Check out DC’s “enlightening” posts in the thread about Yee & you won’t be surprised by the astoundingly stupid things she says regarding Muslims. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-oklahoma-school-board-and-11-year-old-muslim-girls/206868.md?page=2)