# The omnibus 2008 college football thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 6, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369 "2008-09-06T18:27:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/221 "2008-11-11T00:29:48Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > Should USC win out, I’d say they’re more likely for a BCS at-large than the Holiday. > > … > > I’m still holding out for the matchup I’ve wanted to see every season (until my Huskers get better): > > USC vs SEC champ > > With Penn State going down, Texas Tech likely to lose to Oklahoma in Norman, might I get my wish? Only twice in the 10-year history of the BCS has the Pac-10 sent 2 teams to BCS bowls. Given the perceived weakness of the pac-10 this year, one would think that this would not be a good year to break that trend. On the other hand, we are talking about USC. As much as I hate everything about USC, I’d love to see them play an SEC team for all the marbles. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/222 "2008-11-11T00:41:05Z")
I don’t think that TTech losing to Oklahoma is “likely”, but you never know. Here’s what I think you need to have happen: Texas loses to Kansas or T.A&M OK beats TTech, but loses to OK State The SEC championship game is a blowout. So, to answer your question, no. ETA: On further thought, #2 is a posibility, and #3 isn’t necessary (since the loser won’t be in the NCG, no way no how [I was thinking that they would need to drop below USC at #6]). So Texas getting beat again is your only unrealistic hurdle. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/223 "2008-11-11T00:44:30Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > Should USC win out, I’d say they’re more likely for a BCS at-large than the Holiday. > > … > > I’m still holding out for the matchup I’ve wanted to see every season (until my Huskers get better): > > USC vs SEC champ > > With Penn State going down, Texas Tech likely to lose to Oklahoma in Norman, might I get my wish? Logically (and I know that there isn’t room for logic when it comes to rankings), the only way I see this happening is if whoever wins the Big 12 south loses in the Big 12 championship game. Otherwise, if there’s a 3 way tie in the south, the one loss that the winner has will either be to Texas, Tech or Oklahoma. Any of those is more impressive than a loss to Oregon State. (Don’t get me wrong, I like the Beavers. I used to live in Corvallis.) The only way your matchup happens is if the voters decide to jump all 3 Big 12 teams. I don’t see the computers helping them that much. Unless something really strange happens, I think a Big 12 - SEC matchup is almost a foregone conclusion at this point. Some people around here are talking about the possibility of an all Big 12 BCS championship game but I hope it doesn’t happen. It makes about as much sense as seeing Alabama - UF play back-to-back. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/224 "2008-11-11T01:37:27Z")
> [@KRM](#): > > Some people around here are talking about the possibility of an all Big 12 BCS championship game but I hope it doesn’t happen. It makes about as much sense as seeing Alabama - UF play back-to-back. Or the talk two years ago of an Ohio State-Michigan rematch in the title game. And we know what happened that year in the NCG. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/225 "2008-11-11T02:08:13Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > I don’t think that TTech losing to Oklahoma is “likely”, but you never know. > > Here’s what I think you need to have happen: > > Texas loses to Kansas or T.A&M > OK beats TTech, but loses to OK State > The SEC championship game is a blowout. > > So, to answer your question, no. > > ETA: On further thought, #2 is a posibility, and #3 isn’t necessary (since the loser won’t be in the NCG, no way no how [I was thinking that they would need to drop below USC at #6]). So Texas getting beat again is your only unrealistic hurdle. I think OU _in Norman_ may be too much for Tech. After all, it took all they had to beat Texas _at home_, and that was on the last second. Then again, their 52-20 win over Okie State certainly gives me pause, especially since OU’s defense has been playing poorly lately. As for the USC vs SEC scenario, I didn’t really think it was likely. I’ve just always wanted to see that matchup for the past few years, including this year’s 35-3 Ohio State massacre. In 2000, my Huskers sort-of benefited from a wacky scenario. #2 NU had just gotten crushed by Colorado. Luckily, the pollsters saw it as enough of a fluke to only drop us to #5. Then in the next two weeks: #2 Florida lost to Tennessee #3 Tennessee lost to LSU the next week #4 Texas lost to 2-loss Colorado Nebraska made it back up to #2 and into the BCS title game! And then got slaughtered by Miami. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/226 "2008-11-11T06:38:42Z")
It seems to me that Texas is going to be the odd man out in the South no matter how you slice it, unless you slice it so Tech loses two games _and_ OU drops one to the pokes after beating Tech. I can’t wait for the OU- Tech game; the two highest scoring offenses in the country (993 points between them). It will be interesting to see the line and the over under on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/227 "2008-11-11T14:04:04Z")
> [@T\_SQUARE](#): > > It seems to me that Texas is going to be the odd man out in the South no matter how you slice it, unless you slice it so Tech loses two games _and_ OU drops one to the pokes after beating Tech… Because a loss later in the season is more damaging than 1 early on, I think that Texas would be ranked above TT with only 1 loss. ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/228 "2008-11-11T17:24:18Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > Because a loss later in the season is more damaging than 1 early on, I think that Texas would be ranked above TT with only 1 loss. Right, but isn’t it certain that OU would jump Texas after beating TT and O-State? ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/229 "2008-11-12T03:40:58Z")
> [@T\_SQUARE](#): > > Right, but isn’t it certain that OU would jump Texas after beating TT and O-State? Yeah, OkU would, but TT would not. I was nitpicking the “Tech loses two games” part. OkU would have to lose another game for Texas to have a shot, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/230 "2008-11-12T06:49:07Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > Yeah, OkU would, but TT would not. > I was nitpicking the “Tech loses two games” part. > OkU would have to lose another game for Texas to have a shot, I believe. The reason Texas needs TT to lose twice is because if Oklahoma loses again then TT would have the tie breaker against Texas to get into the Big 12 CG. It seems unlikely to me that TT would win the Big 12 championship game, and yet get passed over for Texas for the NC game. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/231 "2008-11-12T07:17:16Z")
Hmmmm, I seeeee… Good point… (People might wonder if this embarassing incident is the one that shames me into no longer speaking about matters that I only have a halfway-solid grasp on. Sadly, the safe money says “No”.) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/232 "2008-11-12T17:38:45Z")
> [@Rucksinator](#): > > … this embarassing incident is the one that shames me into no longer speaking about matters that I only have a halfway-solid grasp on… This has never queered my Posting-Jimmy! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/233 "2008-11-12T23:03:58Z")
> [@T\_SQUARE](#): > > It seems to me that Texas is going to be the odd man out in the South no matter how you slice it, unless you slice it so Tech loses two games _and_ OU drops one to the pokes after beating Tech… This site is projecting the NCG to be Texas vs. Florida. They don’t say how they come to this conclusion. [http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=875653](http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=875653) ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/234 "2008-11-12T23:12:04Z")
(Too late to edit) It looks like the answer is in post 209 above. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/235 "2008-11-13T20:04:14Z")
Not really about football, per se, but apparently [there was a big brawl](http://tallahassee.com/article/20081113/FSU01/811130311)yesterday between the Florida State (FSU) football team and Phi Beta Sigma fraternity. > [@](#): > > Florida State football players were involved in a campus fight on Wednesday that is under investigation by the FSU Police Department. Coach Bobby Bowden would not identify the players or specify how many were involved. > > “The incident today, I really have no comment on it,” Bowden said. “The police will look into it and let us know what they think. That’s all I’ve got to say about that.” > > Maj. James Russell of the FSUPD said that at 12:37 p.m. Wednesday officers from the department arrived to investigate what he described as a large brawl. > > “Persons involved in the fight are alleged to be some members of the FSU football team and members of the Phi Beta Sigma fraternity,” Russell said in an e-mail to the Tallahassee Democrat. I really thought stuff like that only happened in B movies. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/236 "2008-11-13T22:12:59Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Not really about football, per se, but apparently [there was a big brawl](http://tallahassee.com/article/20081113/FSU01/811130311)yesterday between the Florida State (FSU) football team and Phi Beta Sigma fraternity. Here I was thinking it was racial. Preppy white guys fighting (mostly) minority players. I figured the frat boys wouldn’t come out to well in that exchange. Turns out Phi Beta Sigma is a black frat. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/237 "2008-11-13T22:15:44Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > I figured the frat boys wouldn’t come out to well in that exchange. Probably a safe bet regardless of color. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/238 "2008-11-13T22:54:18Z")
I wouldn’t call that a safe bet at any southern university. Not sure if FSU qualifies or not. ETA: I take it back if we’re talking about starters, or members of the 2-deep. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/239 "2008-11-13T23:06:11Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I wouldn’t call that a safe bet at any southern university. Not sure if FSU qualifies or not. > ETA: I take it back if we’re talking about starters, or members of the 2-deep. I don’t know if the south is radically different from here in the midwest, but when I was at OU, the biggest toughest guy that I personally knew was our 4th string linebacker. BTW, my brother went to FSU and still lives outside of Tallahassee. From everything that he tells me, FSU is very much a southern school. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-2008-college-football-thread/462369/240 "2008-11-16T01:48:47Z")
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