# The Omnibus Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543 "2015-07-18T20:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/201 "2015-08-06T20:09:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That Chicago Tribune link is behind a paywall, FYI. Hmm, it wasn’t for me, the second time I tried it. [HuffPo](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-presidential-announcement-report_55c2664ee4b0f1cbf1e37fd1) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/202 "2015-08-08T14:39:43Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Donald Trump opened his mouth and now finds the door closed to him at a high-profile gathering of conservative activists. > > His latest incendiary comment, about one of the Fox News moderators from Thursday’s Republican presidential debate, has led to a scolding by the party and condemnation by organizers of the RedState Gathering. > [@](#): > > “I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong,” Erickson wrote on the RedState website. > > He said that “while Mr. Trump resonates with a lot of people with his bluntness, including me to a degree, there are just real lines of decency a person running for president should not cross.” Trump’s response? > [@](#): > > Trump’s campaign was incensed - and unbowed. > > “This is just another example of weakness through being politically correct. For all of the people who were looking forward to Mr. Trump coming, we will miss you. Blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader,” according to a campaign statement. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_GOP\_2016?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-08-08-56-43](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-08-08-56-43)) There’s no _way_ Stewart and Colbert aren’t watching all this and saying to themselves “ddamn, I shoulda stuck around until after the next election…” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/203 "2015-08-08T15:09:17Z")
Damn, we should have thought of that. Why go through the trouble of Eating the Rich when they’ll happily eat each other ?! \ ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/204 "2015-08-09T01:32:58Z")
As Trump was holding up his hand saying he’d consider an Independent run he was actually making it very hard to get on Ohio’s general election ballot as an Independent. [Ooops.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/07/trump-independent-bid-ohio-debate/31283537/) > [@](#): > > Ohio is one of several states that have “sore loser” rules prohibiting a candidate from appearing on the ballot as an independent or third-party candidate after they have previously declared themselves a candidate in another party. > > Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, has concluded that since Trump has filed with the Federal Election Commission to pursue the Republican nomination **and “voluntarily participated” in the Republican presidential debate in the state of Ohio** , he has “chosen a party for this election cycle” and declared himself “as a Republican in the state of Ohio,” said Husted spokesman Joshua Eck. Maybe he can attack Husted on twitter.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/205 "2015-08-09T02:06:17Z")
Maybe “I haven’t ruled that out” is code for “I don’t know anything about that”? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/206 "2015-08-09T23:10:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Maybe “I haven’t ruled that out” is code for “I don’t know anything about that”? In that case, it would be hard to imagine anything Trump _has_ ruled out. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/207 "2015-08-10T17:33:15Z")
According to Buzzfeed, anonymous sources at Breitbart News have claimed that Trump pays Breitbart News for positive coverage. According to [this](http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/breitbart-staffers-believe-trump-has-given-money-to-site-for#.hklK7WwjG) story, four sources say that Breitbart provides “fawning” coverage of Trump in exchange for financial backing. Not sure how seriously to take this story. I don’t know anything about Buzzfeed. Are they a credible news source? And, the story is built on anonymous sources from inside [Breitbart.com](http://Breitbart.com), so the foundation of the story is maybe a little shakier than one would like. One anonymous source said that he had been told there was written documentation of the arrangement. I would be surprised if there really was written documentation of something like this, which would damage both sides if it became public. That’s the kind of thing you typically don’t make a permanent record of. And the sourcing is thin - an anonymous source said some other guy told him he’d seen it. So, the reasonable and fair minded side of me is skeptical of this. The bitter partisan side of me is rubbing his hands together hoping those documents get released. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/208 "2015-08-10T22:37:30Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > According to Buzzfeed, anonymous sources at Breitbart News have claimed that Trump pays Breitbart News for positive coverage. According to [this](http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/breitbart-staffers-believe-trump-has-given-money-to-site-for#.hklK7WwjG) story, four sources say that Breitbart provides “fawning” coverage of Trump in exchange for financial backing. Well, even if true, at least it won’t hurt Brietbart’s reputation any. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/209 "2015-08-10T23:59:02Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Well, even if true, at least it won’t hurt Brietbart’s reputation any. 😃 Speaking of Breitbart, they just pointed at a poll that has Trump ahead by 32 points: > **[Teflon Don: Trump at 32 Percent in New Post-Debate Poll](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/08/10/teflon-don-trump-at-32-percent-in-new-post-debate-poll/)** > > Teflon Don: Trump Jumps 7 Points Higher to Commanding Lead over Field in New Post-Debate Poll > [@](#): > > He is truly “Teflon Don.” > > Republican frontrunner billionaire Donald Trump has jumped seven points—a remarkable hike in the polls—after the GOP debate in Cleveland, Ohio, last week and a subsequent spat with Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly. > > The Morning Consult poll of 746 self-identified Republicans and GOP-leaning independents has Trump with a commanding lead over the entire rest of the field at 32 percent. That means he leads the next three candidates—former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Dr. Ben Carson and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker or Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)—combined. Bush, who came in second, got only 11 percent. Carson came in third with 9 percent. Walker and Rubio tied with 6 percent each. > > Trump’s 32 percent means he leads Bush, Carson and Walker—or Bush, Carson and Rubio, depending on which candidate tied for fourth place one considers actually in fourth—combined. His 32 percent is tied with Bush, Carson, Rubio and Walker combined. I also check the polls, and they are consistent for months that if Trump and Clinton are the nominees we are talking about a landslide victory for Clinton as not seen as since the times of Reagan. If this poll is confirmed by others I do think that this is becoming a nightmare for the Republicans. (for the very loopy conservative ones they do believe that this is a dream come true) Of course many moderates did tell them about what they would get by continuing to seek support of republicans of the Tea Party variety and reactionaries. The chickens have come home to roost. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/210 "2015-08-11T00:08:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > If this poll is confirmed by others I do think that this is becoming a nightmare for the Republicans. Shhh… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/211 "2015-08-11T01:54:55Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Well, even if true, at least it won’t hurt Brietbart’s reputation any. Or Trump’s! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/212 "2015-08-11T04:23:00Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > Shhh… Never fear, Fox viewers sent so many tweets (from twits?) and notes to the network in favor of Trump that it is the network who is genuflecting to him. > **[Donald Trump and Roger Ailes Make Up — for Now](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/08/donald-trump-and-roger-ailes-make-up-for-now.html)** > > A truce to prevent Trump from potentially damaging the Fox News brand. > [@](#): > > Now, it appears both sides want peace. This morning, Trump tweeted that Ailes called to assure him that Fox will cover him “fairly” going forward. According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes’s diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday’s debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100 percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation, told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.” > > Things got worse for Ailes over the weekend. In a phone conversation, Trump told Sean Hannity that “he was never doing Fox again,” according to one person with knowledge of the call. The anti-Kelly emails, and threat of a boycott by Trump, seem to have pushed Ailes to defuse the war. One Fox personality told me that Fox producers gave instructions to tell in-house talent not to bring up Trump’s controversial comments that Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever" during the debate. According to one count, Fox only aired Trump’s comment once since Friday, while CNN mentioned it at least 50 times. > > In recent days, Ailes got a glimpse of what a Trump-less Fox News would look like. On Sunday, Trump called in to the four other public-affairs shows; this morning he gave interviews to Today and Morning Joe. Inside Fox, this was alarming. “This thing with Megyn got way ahead of Roger and bigger than he must have thought,” one Fox personality said. “Roger wants this to blow over,” another source added. “He’s upset that conservatives are mad at Fox.” Online, Ailes also took flak. Both the Drudge Report and Breitbart News carried pro-Trump headlines. Mr [del]Trump[/del] Burns: “Eeexcellent!” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/213 "2015-08-11T09:46:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > He is truly “Teflon Don.” > > Republican frontrunner billionaire Donald Trump has jumped seven points—a remarkable hike in the polls—after the GOP debate in Cleveland, Ohio, last week and a subsequent spat with Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly. In other news, if you had any lingering doubts left that the GOP base had a mysogynist streak a mile wide… Speaking of which, GamerGate has [apparently](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL-ay8HUYAA1g5D.jpg) thrown their lot in with Trump too. In other news, if you had any lingering etc,etc. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/214 "2015-08-11T10:21:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > 😃 > > Speaking of Breitbart, they just pointed at a poll that has Trump ahead by 32 points: > > [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/10/teflon-don-trump-at-32-percent-in-new-post-debate-poll/](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/10/teflon-don-trump-at-32-percent-in-new-post-debate-poll/) > > I also check the polls, and they are consistent for months that if Trump and Clinton are the nominees we are talking about a landslide victory for Clinton as not seen as since the times of Reagan. > > If this poll is confirmed by others I do think that this is becoming a nightmare for the Republicans. (for the very loopy conservative ones they do believe that this is a dream come true) Of course many moderates did tell them about what they would get by continuing to seek support of republicans of the Tea Party variety and reactionaries. The chickens have come home to roost. For myself, I’m a bit worried about how sustainable this crap is. With still nearly a year until the 2016 convention, I’d really prefer to see this come to a head closer to a time when it’s too late for the GOP to pull back from the brink. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/215 "2015-08-11T11:12:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > In other news, if you had any lingering doubts left that the GOP base had a mysogynist streak a mile wide… Thinking any big-tent party has a single “base” is wrong-headed. It has, by definition, multiple bases, some orthogonal to each other, and it exists by finding a platform all of them find at least minimally acceptable such that it doesn’t lose the votes any of its bases represent. The GOP’s problem, which Trump both embodies and is accelerating, is that one of its bases is demanding planks which the rest of the country finds supremely hateful and idiotic. As long as the GOP sees that base as being key to its success, it will under-serve and generally fail to represent the interests of the other bases under its tent, because you can’t do jack shit if you’re out of office because your candidates have to pander to the people the rest of us think are reactionary morons. Demographically, the problematic base is going away anyway. In another world, it would have been slowly marginalized until it quietly and without much fanfare shuffled off into the grave. However, Trump is forcing the world to look at it by dragging it into the spotlight to prop up his own terrible hairdo. And it’s still big enough to propel his hairdo and his whatevers high enough to give Fox News and the RNC heartburn. But remember that Trump’s approval ratings are ~20%-30%, depending on which poll you look at. The field is huge, the Not-Trump vote is split, and so he’s the one who currently has the big numbers. Even if you say his popularity is at 25% of GOP voters, that’s still 75% of Not-Trump. It’s a full three-quarters of the people waiting for the field to narrow and for Jeb Bush to emerge as the Last GOPper Standing. At that point, Trump won’t have a chance. Trump is like Ron Paul. Remember Ron Paul? The hound dog who thinks William Jennings Bryan is a dangerous radical? In 2008 and 2012, he had pretty good early numbers, doing well in polls and in some primaries, but he topped out where it mattered around 20% in 2008 and 40% in 2012. His base mobilized early and often but was too small to control the GOP. Trump is the Ron Paul of the Television Generation. He has his hard-core, and he gets more attention so he has more of a soft base than Ron Paul had, but he’ll top out below the numbers he’ll need to get a nomination. [The number of conservatives in the GOP is shrinking, and the conservatives left are the older people who dominate primary voting.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/03/the-republican-party-is-getting-less-conservative-wait-what/) ([More](http://www.gallup.com/poll/183491/republican-conservative-base-shrinks.aspx)) This means that Trump has a problem, [because his base is substantially more conservative than the GOP’s baseline.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/10/is-donald-trumps-base-just-the-tea-party-reborn-not-exactly/) In short, he’ll poll well early, but he’ll top out low and ultimately go nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/216 "2015-08-11T16:45:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > For myself, I’m a bit worried about how sustainable this crap is. With still nearly a year until the 2016 convention, I’d really prefer to see this come to a head closer to a time when it’s too late for the GOP to pull back from the brink. As of this morning, it appears that Roger Ailes capitulated, and Fox is back in Trump’s pocket. After watching how this played out, I wonder whether the other candidates are going to try to out-trump Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/217 "2015-08-11T17:01:26Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Thinking any big-tent party has a single “base” is wrong-headed. It has, by definition, multiple bases, some orthogonal to each other, and it exists by finding a platform all of them find at least minimally acceptable such that it doesn’t lose the votes any of its bases represent. Note that I did say “has a streak”, not “is”. Still, it makes me recreationally angry that Trump’s poll numbers spike upwards, not only after an old school misogynistic tirade but apparently BECAUSE of an old school misogynistic tirade. There should be an individual FUCK YOU, NO BUT REALLY committee operating in parallel with those polls, is all I’m saying. Or something like that, I’m not a solution guy, I only point and laugh and cry bitter, profoundly disappointed tears at problems ! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/218 "2015-08-11T19:15:21Z")
Perhaps the misogyny is secondary? Notice how the crowd went wild when he dissed “political correctness” and “I don’t have time to be politically correct”. That sneers at a much broader range of political affiliation. Contempt for PC hits all the buttons at once. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/219 "2015-08-11T19:56:04Z")
There was no misogyny to begin with. That’s why other things are registering higher. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/220 "2015-08-11T20:15:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There was no misogyny to begin with. What, in Trump’s statements? Not even you believe that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=12)