# The Omnibus Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543 "2015-07-18T20:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/61 "2015-07-20T12:25:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sadly, the vet has lost the last three elections in a row. You mean Mitt Romney, who protested in favor of the war in Vietnam while not volunteering to serve (and accepting draft deferment)? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/62 "2015-07-20T12:27:54Z")
Bush 41, Dole, Kerry. Oh wait, McCain makes four in a row where a combat vet ran and lost against someone who didn’t serve. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/63 "2015-07-20T12:28:25Z")
The Silver Star vet lost (if you accept the Ohio results) to the AWOL Fortunate Son, too. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/64 "2015-07-20T13:40:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Bush 41, Dole, Kerry. Oh wait, McCain makes four in a row where a combat vet ran and lost against someone who didn’t serve. But you said last three elections in a row - the last election was Obama vs Romney. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/65 "2015-07-20T13:43:12Z")
Three in a row, actually four, where there was a vet in the race. I should have been clearer. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/66 "2015-07-20T14:50:40Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > But you said last three elections in a row - the last election was Obama vs Romney. You’ve got to recognize that **adaher** has a tragic condition where he cannot retain information that conflicts with his world view. It’s a more specialized version of that amnesia Guy Pierce had in “Memento.” Maybe **adaher** can do like Guy Pierce’s character and tattoo some key facts on himself so he can reduce the number of times he makes himself look like a twit. Some starters: 1. There was a Presidential election in 2012. Obama won. 2. Mid-term elections historically are piss-poor predictors of the next presidential election. Anyone else want to help the guy out? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/67 "2015-07-20T15:36:00Z")
Early returns indicate no. No one does. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/68 "2015-07-20T15:58:21Z")
Trump was, predictably, POd by McCain’s comments about Trump “stirring up the crazies”. He couldn’t use the really good riposte (“That’s rich coming from the guy who put the Grand High Queen of Crazy on the ticket with him”) because that would offend the crazy GOP voting base, so he had to come up with something else. As for the specific “something else”, he chose poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/69 "2015-07-20T16:03:09Z")
Predictably, he just can’t stop himself from firing off insults at anyonne who criticizes him, his ideas, his word choice, his hair, etc. Sooner or later this will sink him. I hope WAY later, because I hope he stays in lobbing grenades at his fellow Repblican candidates. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/70 "2015-07-20T16:06:28Z")
McCain has his moments, like when he teamed up with Kerry to warm up chilly ties with Viet Nam. I cheered and applauded, it was the exact right thing for the two of them, as a team, to do. So,yes, he has his moments. Trouble is, they are moments. ---
**Author:** ![RagingxMarmoset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@RagingxMarmoset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RagingxMarmoset)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/71 "2015-07-20T16:27:50Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Apparently your not allowed to criticize someone because they are a supposed “war hero”. > > I have no dog in this fight, and won’t be voting for Trump, but I’m so sick and tired of how we as a society kiss someones ass because they were in the military. John McCain who isn’t running for President made some very vicious attacks at Trump and his supporters, and God Forbid we suggest that sitting in a enemy prison for 6 years as a negotiating liability with the enemy is less than valorous. John McCain has made a career out of being a POW for the past 35 years, and sometimes rather shamelessly, may I add. > > Why does some grunt who knows how to shoot a gun make them more qualified than anyone else on how to run our country? > > I’ve met vets who are wonderful, brave people. I salute them. I’ve also met my share who are worthless assholes. Just because you volunteered to go kill people in enemy countries doesn’t make you any better than me. > > Before you go ape-shit on my ass, I voted for John Kerry in 2004 in part because I admired his service. Apparently the majority of the country decided a National Guard pilot (YEAH, theres a lot of Chuck Norris movies being made about that) was more worthy of being President. And in 2008, a guy who might not have even been born here over a so-called “hero”. So, apparently Im not the ONLY one who doesn’t think being a vet gives you more cred when it comes to politics. John McCain was a naval aviator, not infantry (grunt). Also, I think Hawaii became a state in 1959. That was before 1961, right? I’ve been wrong before, though. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/72 "2015-07-20T18:21:36Z")
Trump will reflexively insult and attack anyone who criticizes or disagrees with him. He’s been doing it for decades. Obviously he does not think too much before he does so. He could have come back at McCain for insulting the Republican base, instead he himself insults all POWs. I’m not paying much attention, is Trump making any kind of effort to convince voters why he’s right? Or is he just doing his standard, “I’m right about everything, end of story” and seriously expecting everyone to follow him? At least Ross Perot had charts. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/73 "2015-07-20T18:32:18Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] It’s only common sense that when you have a president sworn to uphold the nation’s laws who then utterly ignores them to allow immigrants to come flooding into the country unabated, many of them are going to be criminals. [/QUOTE] > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, that has nothing to do with the present real-world situation. Brain Glutton’s post bears repeating. There is no open border with Mexico, and thought there is illegal immigration, its not for lack of enforcement. In fact, the Pew Research Center [reports](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/18/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/) that illegal Mexican immigrants are declining as a proportion of illegal immigrants. And the ACLU credibly [argues](https://www.aclu.org/immigration-myths-and-facts) that they are not a blight on our society. This immigration nonsense is boogeyman posturing. Fear attracts voters to a certain type of politician. Well, it attracts a certain kind of voter. And that’s who Trump is courting. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/74 "2015-07-20T18:47:08Z")
At first, I thought Trump was merely stupid. Then I began to wonder if his truly world class ego had somehow eaten his brain. Now I’m starting to wonder if he isn’t secretly in the pay of some Democratic mastermind, splitting the Republican base, spreading chaos amidst the GOP faithful, and doing his damndest to convince everyone that “Republicans are maniacal assholes, don’t vote for one.” If I could imagine Trump actually working for someone and taking orders in any form, that would currently be my working hypothesis… ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/75 "2015-07-20T19:40:13Z")
Inasmuch as Trump has _absolutely no intention of being President of the United States_, you cannot view any of his statements in terms of him being a Presidential candidate. Trump’s entire game is simply to get publicity and notoriety. He’ll dive out the moment it becomes more expensive than what he think the notoriety is worth. Since he’s managed to cost himself more money so far than he expected he’ll probably play along longer than he wanted to now, but it’ll work out for him in the end. Contrary to Starving Artist’s earnest defense of his weird jab at Mexicans, Donald Trump does not give a rat’s ass about Mexico, illegal immigration, people victimized by crime or any of that nonsense. What he does know is 1. He can increase his fame by running for President now and then. 2. But he’s done it before, so he needs to up the ante. 3. He can up the ante and get the attention he needs by saying especially outrageous things that will anger people. No examination of Trump that assumes he’s really running for President is going to make any sense, because he isn’t really running for President. Trump’s game is the long con, and he bases his cons on leveraging his name and reputation as a guy who makes money. That’s why his announcement speech has a list of expensive things he owns (in most cases, partially owns, often with borrowed money.) Keeping his name in the news as an Eccentric Rich Guy enhances his ability to run his real estate schemes. Trust me, he’s laughing all the way to the bank. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/76 "2015-07-20T21:49:47Z")
Trump’s New Hampshire co-chair is a former \*Apprentice \*contestant. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/77 "2015-07-20T22:05:36Z")
I don’t think Trump’s laughing all the way to the bank – yet. He’s lost millions,maybe tens of millions, in all those severed business contracts. I don’t think he expected that. OTOH. he probably can spinn off half a dozen reality shows from this. Maybe he’s already started shooting the _Running For President_ series. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/78 "2015-07-21T05:51:09Z")
> [@RagingxMarmoset](#): > > John McCain was a naval aviator, not infantry (grunt). Also, I think Hawaii became a state in 1959. That was before 1961, right? I’ve been wrong before, though. I think Obama was born in the US. My point is there were millions of Americans who were hearing he might not have been, yet voted overwhelmingly for him over someone who served. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/79 "2015-07-21T08:36:10Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > So…Trump bagged on McCain for getting captured by the VC! I used to have a lot of respect for McCain until he foisted Palin on us. > Still, I have to take McCain’s side. > Trump is a total POS, with no redeeming qualities. Small nitpick: McCain wasn’t captured by the VC, who operated in South Vietnam and Cambodia. He was shot down over Hanoi by a missile fired by regular forces. Ditched in Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi and was kept in Hoa Lo Prison, nicknamed the Hanoi Hilton and which is now an interesting museum – at least what’s left standing of it is, as they demolished most of it in the 1990s – that has McCain’s flight suit that he was wearing when captured on display. But yeah, Trump is a dick. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/80 "2015-07-21T11:21:27Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I think Obama was born in the US. My point is there were millions of Americans who were hearing he might not have been, yet voted overwhelmingly for him over someone who served. There was no evidence he was born anywhere besides Hawaii, so I don’t see how this is relevant. Would it matter if “millions of Americans” were hearing that he was a space alien lizard in disguise? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=5)