# The Omnibus Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543 "2015-07-18T20:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/81 "2015-07-21T11:46:01Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I have no dog in this fight, and won’t be voting for Trump, but I’m so sick and tired of how we as a society kiss someones ass because they were in the military. John McCain who isn’t running for President made some very vicious attacks at Trump and his supporters, and God Forbid we suggest that sitting in a enemy prison for 6 years as a negotiating liability with the enemy is less than valorous. John McCain has made a career out of being a POW for the past 35 years, and sometimes rather shamelessly, may I add. I’ll give you a harrumph for this. Yes, we as a society suck the dicks of the military far too much. “It’s Flag Day! Thank the troops!.. It’s Memorial Day! Suck a military dick!.. It’s Independence Day! Oh, the troops!.. It’s Veterans’ Day! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG The troops!” Enough. McCain had a better POW experience than most. He received better medical care due to his father being an admiral. He was useful to the North Vietnamese, and McCain readily complied with their wishes. So he deferred his departure. Maybe because he knew the others weren’t as well treated as he was. Big deal. So he’s made a career out of self-promoting his POW experience. He’s still an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/82 "2015-07-21T14:25:10Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I think Obama was born in the US. My point is there were millions of Americans who were hearing he might not have been, yet voted overwhelmingly for him over someone who served. I don’t think anyone who thought there was a chance Obama was not a US citizen actually voted for him. The portion of the US populace who gave any credence to the Birther theory didn’t vote for Barack Obama. Indeed, there is probably a reversal of cause and effect in many cases; people who didn’t want to vote for him anyway chose to believe the Birther nonsense because it helped reinforce their hatred of him. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/83 "2015-07-21T18:01:25Z")
Trump’s no monster. He’s a salesman who wants to be President. So he asked himself, ‘what policy positions should I hold in order to appeal to the GOP base?’, and started spouting bizarre, reality-averse tidbits of racism, militarism, revisionist history, and outright Woo, and immediately shot to the top of the polls. Don’t be mad at Trump. Be mad at yourself for having such a sophomoric, oversimplified political outlook that even a pure-D moron like him can figure out how to effectively market to you and the rest of your ruminating herd. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/84 "2015-07-21T18:14:44Z")
In a speech on Tuesday, Trump gave out Lindsey Graham’s cell phone number and asked his supporters to try calling it. I did not watch the speech, so maybe it was part of some larger point. But I’m going to go out on a limb and assumt it was just garden-variety assholishness. > **[Donald Trump Gives Out Lindsey Graham’s Cell Phone Number During Speech](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-graham-cell-phone-number)** > > Republican presidential candidate and real estate mogul Donald Trump gave out his rival candidate Sen. Lindsey Graham's (R-SC) cell phone number on Tuesday during a speech in Bluffton, South Carolina. I guess it’s not a huge deal for Graham to get a new phone number and have a lackey inform all his contacts of the change. Still, what a petty, pointless thing for Trump to do. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/85 "2015-07-21T18:40:12Z")
If Trump is so stupid, how did he get rich? He’s a prime example of what Bill Griffith, artist of _Zippy the Pinhead_, calls a “Moron with Charisma.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/86 "2015-07-21T18:43:15Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > If Trump is so stupid, how did he get rich? > > He’s a prime example of what Bill Griffith, artist of _Zippy the Pinhead_, calls a “Moron with Charisma.” When you’re born on third base, it isn’t hard to score. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/87 "2015-07-21T19:21:18Z")
According to a WaPo article I just read (on my phone, so no link), Trump had a net worth of $1.3M (2015 dollars) when he graduated from college. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/88 "2015-07-21T19:30:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then McCain entered public service and didn’t enrich himself based on that public service as many politicians do. Although he did enrich himself another way: by marrying a rich lady.🙂 For the sake of completeness: _by cutting loose the wife who had kept the home fires burning while he languished as a POW, **then** marrying a rich lady._ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/89 "2015-07-21T19:32:16Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > And now Trump is backpedaling madly. [del]Ten[/del] FIFTY **kaylasdad99** points to **GrumpyBunny** for using “backpedaling” instead of “backpeddling.” Go you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/90 "2015-07-21T19:35:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sadly, the vet has lost the last three elections in a row. > [@Folacin](#): > > You mean Mitt Romney, who protested in favor of the war in Vietnam while not volunteering to serve (and accepting draft deferment)? > [@adaher](#): > > Bush 41, Dole, Kerry. Oh wait, McCain makes four in a row where a combat vet ran and lost against someone who didn’t serve. Except that there’s nothing sad about Bush41, Dole, and McCain losing. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/91 "2015-07-21T19:43:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > McCain had a better POW experience than most. He received better medical care due to his father being an admiral. He was useful to the North Vietnamese, and McCain readily complied with their wishes. So he deferred his departure. Maybe because he knew the others weren’t as well treated as he was. Big deal. So he’s made a career out of self-promoting his POW experience. He’s still an asshole. I’m pretty much a liberal all the way through. I voted against John McCain when I had the chance; I have very little respect for the way he’s handled his political affairs over the last decade or so and agree with him about essentially nothing. But your post is shitty. “Big deal?” OK, tell you what: go do it. Go find somebody to torture you on a daily basis for a couple of weeks; make sure you fall out of a plane first and get dysentery. Spend a few years in solitary confinement. Then, when they offer to let you go see your family and eat pizza, tell them no. Then you can say fucking “big deal.” Until then, that post is an embarrassment to all of us who generally share your political opinions, and you should be sorry you posted it. Big deal. Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/92 "2015-07-21T19:49:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There was no evidence he was born anywhere besides Hawaii, so I don’t see how this is relevant. Would it matter if “millions of Americans” were hearing that he was a space alien lizard in disguise? Yes, it would, if they voted for him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/93 "2015-07-21T19:52:04Z")
Trump apparently didn’t like it when Lindsey Graham called him a jackass. [He’s shared Lindsey’s cell phone number with the world.](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/21/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0PV26V20150721) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/94 "2015-07-21T20:01:04Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > McCain had a better POW experience than most. He received better medical care due to his father being an admiral. He was useful to the North Vietnamese, and McCain readily complied with their wishes. So he deferred his departure. Maybe because he knew the others weren’t as well treated as he was. Big deal. So he’s made a career out of self-promoting his POW experience. He’s still an asshole. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’m pretty much a liberal all the way through. I voted against John McCain when I had the chance; I have very little respect for the way he’s handled his political affairs over the last decade or so and agree with him about essentially nothing. > > But your post is shitty. “Big deal?” OK, tell you what: go do it. Go find somebody to torture you on a daily basis for a couple of weeks; make sure you fall out of a plane first and get dysentery. Spend a few years in solitary confinement. Then, when they offer to let you go see your family and eat pizza, tell them no. Then you can say fucking “big deal.” Until then, that post is an embarrassment to all of us who generally share your political opinions, and you should be sorry you posted it. > > Big deal. Jesus. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! (in other words, QFT) ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/95 "2015-07-21T20:10:07Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Trump apparently didn’t like it when Lindsey Graham called him a jackass. [He’s shared Lindsey’s cell phone number with the world.](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/21/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0PV26V20150721) Because _that_ will prove he’s not a jackass!! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/96 "2015-07-21T20:24:32Z")
The Donald “wrote” an [op-ed in the Onion](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/admit-it-you-people-want-see-how-far-goes-dont-you-50895) today. > [@](#): > > My candidacy continues to surge forward, because none of you—not a single one of you—can look away. Not even for a second. > > Admit it: You people want to see just how far this goes, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/97 "2015-07-21T20:34:24Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’m pretty much a liberal all the way through. I voted against John McCain when I had the chance; I have very little respect for the way he’s handled his political affairs over the last decade or so and agree with him about essentially nothing. > > But your post is shitty. “Big deal?” OK, tell you what: go do it. Go find somebody to torture you on a daily basis for a couple of weeks; make sure you fall out of a plane first and get dysentery. Spend a few years in solitary confinement. Then, when they offer to let you go see your family and eat pizza, tell them no. Then you can say fucking “big deal.” Until then, that post is an embarrassment to all of us who generally share your political opinions, and you should be sorry you posted it. > > Big deal. Jesus. McCain got preferential treatment from the North Vietnamese because he was a high value prisoner. That’s just the way it is. I’d have some respect for him if he hadn’t built his life around that experience, but he basically made a career out of it. Or I might have some respect for him if he hadn’t turned into a world class asshole. But he did. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/98 "2015-07-21T20:50:37Z")
McCain’s treatment was “preferential” in the same way being kicked in the groin is “preferential” to being hit in the face with a baseball bat. What? He only got tortured every _other_ day? Oh, no big thing, then. I’d hardly call a random dude trying and failing to set compound bone fractures with no anesthetic, “better medical care,” either. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/99 "2015-07-21T20:50:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > McCain got preferential treatment from the North Vietnamese because he was a high value prisoner. I’m pretty sure you made that up. > [@](#): > > In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain. He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery. Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda “confession”. He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.” Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions” and propaganda statements; virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors. McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543/100 "2015-07-21T20:54:08Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Oh, no big thing, then. I’d hardly call a random dude trying and failing to set compound bone fractures with no anesthetic, “better medical care,” either. To be fair if he wasn’t such a high-value POW he’d probably have been left to die where they found him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-omnibus-trump-pit-thread/725543.md?page=6)