# The ongoing problem with misogyny on the SDMB **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 1, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395 "2018-12-01T14:32:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/141 "2018-12-08T23:33:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Do you understand that you and many others who agree with you (like coffeecat) are begging the question every time you claim that MGM (circumcision) is “a different topic entirely”? You state at as an evident truth, when at least four of us in that thread have strenuously disagreed that it’s a different topic, and we have provided support for that position from an eminent Yale bioethicist. Do you not see that your position is itself a controvertible point that is not widely accepted, that it needs to be argued itself? By inserting your topic into FGM threads, _you_ are begging the question that they are the same thing? That you are doing your argument a disservice, because you come off like a whiny “men’s issues are more important than women’s” jerk rather than someone with a valid debate to be made? That your arguments won’t be taken seriously? > [@](#): > > Furthermore, this is not just an abstract point. I don’t think you realize how much you actually undermine your own cause by segregating the issues. By doing so you implicitly endorse the idea that MGM should _not_ be banned. This provides an opening for those who advocate FGM to medicalize it by analogy to circumcision, in order to preserve its legality. Is this what you want? Puzzlegal has said she is fine with this, but I doubt many of the rest of you agree. None of this can be sorted out while pretending MGM is an unrelated issue. Sounds like a great argument for _your_ thread, the one where you advocate that MGM is just as bad as FGM. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/142 "2018-12-08T23:46:11Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Do you not see that your position is itself a controvertible point that is not widely accepted, that it needs to be argued itself? By inserting your topic into FGM threads, _you_ are begging the question that they are the same thing? That you are doing your argument a disservice, because you come off like a whiny “men’s issues are more important than women’s” jerk rather than someone with a valid debate to be made? That your arguments won’t be taken seriously? > > Sounds like a great argument for _your_ thread, the one where you advocate that MGM is just as bad as FGM. Yes, but if he starts his own thread, he won’t be drowning out somebody else’s thread. How can he show his masculine superiority? Besides, there would be about four people, apparently, possibly supplemented by a Yale bioethicist. But don’t worry, if he puts half as much work into his own thread as he did in hijacking the FGM thread, it’ll keep going. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/143 "2018-12-09T00:07:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Right, the four of us and the Yale bioethicist are just so unambiguously, incontrovertibly wrong that our perspective is not even worth consideration. :rolleyes: Yes. Exactly. Please stop. (Also, **Johnathan Chance** , that thing you recommended? It _didn’t work_. I reported this post for threadshitting, it’s not in the pit, _when the fuck are you going to do something about it?!_) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/144 "2018-12-09T00:32:14Z")
BPC. I want you to get this through your head. You deciding something is threadshitting, or trolling or whatever does not make it so. You must stop, right now, making that assumption. If you can’t, I suggest you step back and think about your positions. We decide what counts as an infraction. You do not. You never will. Your sole responsibility, as a poster, is to report things you think might violate the rules. I continue to encourage you to do that. But we are - not at all - required to act on your reports. Adapt to that fact. Embrace it. Know it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/145 "2018-12-09T01:05:15Z")
You’re right, I’m sorry, you clearly have better things to do, like warning me for calling out redpill ideology as toxic. 🙂 Question - if we made a thread on misogyny on the dope and made it explicitly clear that **SlackerInc** was not welcome, would that be enforceable? Could we make that a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/146 "2018-12-09T01:11:49Z")
Hmm. Speaking for myself - and only for myself - I’d say no. Trying to set a specific topic and asking a moderator to say that only that topic is acceptable? Yeah, I can see that. And I’ve done it, I think. But asking for a specific person to be outlawed? No, that wouldn’t fly with me at all. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/147 "2018-12-09T07:50:31Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Hmm. Speaking for myself - and only for myself - I’d say no. Trying to set a specific topic and asking a moderator to say that only that topic is acceptable? Yeah, I can see that. And I’ve done it, I think. > > But asking for a specific person to be outlawed? No, that wouldn’t fly with me at all. So why the constant hijacks in threads about FGM, even if we’ve asked them not to? Mods, would you please do something about THAT? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/148 "2018-12-09T07:52:11Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So why the constant hijacks in threads about FGM, even if we’ve asked them not to? Mods, would you please do something about THAT? Because hijacks are normal in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/149 "2018-12-09T08:37:00Z")
They aren’t hijacks just because you would like to think they are. I guarantee any national blanket ban of FGM is going to ultimately be challenged in the courts on the basis of sex discrimination if male circumcision is not included in the ban. You can’t just plug your ears and say “LA LA LA, DOESN’T APPLY” and make that reality go away. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/150 "2018-12-09T09:06:43Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They aren’t hijacks just because you would like to think they are. I guarantee any national blanket ban of FGM is going to ultimately be challenged in the courts on the basis of sex discrimination if male circumcision is not included in the ban. You can’t just plug your ears and say “LA LA LA, DOESN’T APPLY” and make that reality go away. Is this addressed to me? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/151 "2018-12-09T09:49:55Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Is this addressed to me? No, sorry: at Guinastasia (et al). ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/152 "2018-12-09T12:01:51Z")
Bpc, wtf? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/153 "2018-12-09T20:00:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They aren’t hijacks just because you would like to think they are. I guarantee any national blanket ban of FGM is going to ultimately be challenged in the courts on the basis of sex discrimination if male circumcision is not included in the ban. You can’t just plug your ears and say “LA LA LA, DOESN’T APPLY” and make that reality go away. THEN TAKE IT TO THE THREAD THAT’S ABOUT CIRCUMCISION. You know, the one that was opened up specifically so you guys would stop hijacking the original? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395/154 "2018-12-09T20:03:00Z")
You know, I think both sides are talking past each other here. Should someone wish to start a thread in GD about FGM and send me a nice note, I’ll strongly consider setting discussion limits. But here? You guys are just shouting at each other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-problem-with-misogyny-on-the-sdmb/825395.md?page=7)