# The Onion calls Quevanzhane Wallis a cunt. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 25, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329 "2013-02-25T06:40:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/161 "2013-02-25T20:59:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ah my bad… I misread her incredibly poorly constructed sentence. I withdraw that question. Thanks for pointing out my error, **Frylock**. No problem. I’m glad you did–it drew my attention to another problem with the sentence. It says the tweet was made “with no context” but that’s plainly false. There are numerous aspects to the context of the tweet which very clearly must be understood before the tweet can be evaluated. Its author and the author’s past works need to be taken into account. The realities of pop media coverage of pop culture needs to be taken into account. The utter lack of any reason for anyone actually to call her that needs to be taken into account. The comment was embedded within a _rich_ context. To say that it has no context is simply mistaken. If the poster meant that the context should have been explicitly stated, that’s also plainly false. We cannot explicitly state the context of anything–for to do so, we’d have to explicitly state the context of _the context-setting_, and so on ad infinitum. ---
**Author:** ![SleuFeets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@SleuFeets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleuFeets)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/162 "2013-02-25T21:00:56Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Yeah, I’ve asked this twice now. I keep explaining it but there is a refusal to understand. Please go back and reference the analogy about the preppy trust funded senior to the 4th grade black cunt. Or even, the article by which i posted some excerpts. Race is nothing but privilege. If you want to understand the disturbing race implications - at least - meet me halfway. I’ve responded to it 2/3 times actually. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/163 "2013-02-25T21:01:01Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > I don’t know anything about the OP other than that in his OP message he admitted to being run out by black people. In context, I believe it would be safe to say that a healthy amount of black people found the tweet to then be offensive? > > Also , fyi ..guess who buys the most hip hop albums. sales wise. > 1 guess… You _say_ you understand things like sarcasm and irony but… I’m not sure that you do. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/164 "2013-02-25T21:02:31Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > I keep explaining it but there is a refusal to understand. Please go back and reference the analogy about the preppy trust funded senior to the 4th grade black cunt. You haven’t come close to explaining it, and your analogy was incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/165 "2013-02-25T21:02:38Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > I keep explaining it but there is a refusal to understand. Please go back and reference the analogy about the preppy trust funded senior to the 4th grade black cunt. > > Or even, the article by which i posted some excerpts. > > Race is nothing but privilege. If you want to understand the disturbing race implications - at least - meet me halfway. I’ve responded to it 2/3 times actually. I’ve read 'em. I literally have no idea how they constitute arguments that the tweet was racist. I’m sorry to be dense but that’s just how it happens to be. It’s not that I disagree so much as I have no idea what the evidence is supposed to be that you say is found in those two references. Can you spell it out for me? Lay out your argument? So we can see if your premises are true, your inferences valid, etc? Like as in, something like filling in the blanks in the following? (Not literally of course–I’m just trying to give a notion of what kind of thing I’m asking for.) Anything which has characteristics \_\_\_\_\_\_, \_\_\_\_\_\_ and \_\_\_\_\_\_ is racist. The tweet has characteristics \_\_\_\_\_, \_\_\_\_\_ and \_\_\_\_\_ Therefore the tweet was racist. Then of course we’ll argue about the first two lines, but that’s to be expected, it’s okay, it’s productive and interesting, and it’s how we make progress in understanding each other IMO so I’m asking you to do it as a favor to me and others in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![SleuFeets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@SleuFeets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleuFeets)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/166 "2013-02-25T21:04:05Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > No problem. I’m glad you did–it drew my attention to another problem with the sentence. It says the tweet was made “with no context” but that’s plainly false. There are numerous aspects to the context of the tweet which very clearly must be understood before the tweet can be evaluated. Its author and the author’s past works need to be taken into account. The realities of pop media coverage of pop culture needs to be taken into account. The utter lack of any reason for anyone actually to call her that needs to be taken into account. The comment was embedded within a _rich_ context. To say that it has no context is simply mistaken. > > If the poster meant that the context should have been explicitly stated, that’s also plainly false. We cannot explicitly state the context of anything–for to do so, we’d have to explicitly state the context of _the context-setting_, and so on ad infinitum. Actually, as other people have noted, this little girl has been called arrogant or perhaps a little too precocious for her own good. You know ..a little too sassy..a la her interview with Andre Leon Tally of Vogue. So some people were confused IF infact the onion was calling the little girl a cunt. Just an fyi. On context. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/167 "2013-02-25T21:04:08Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > Also , fyi ..guess who buys the most hip hop albums. sales wise. > 1 guess… Quentin Tarantino would be my guess, but I’m willing to be proven wrong. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/168 "2013-02-25T21:04:51Z")
> [@](#): > > My friend Cynthia is black. Cynthia is being a bit of a cunt today. > > My friend Karen is white. Karen is being a cunt today too. > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > But it’s [black history month](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16043210&postcount=88). Shit, you mean Cynthia gets to be a cunt for the rest of the month? Damn, I’m glad February is the shortest month. ---
**Author:** ![SleuFeets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@SleuFeets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleuFeets)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/169 "2013-02-25T21:06:00Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I’ve read 'em. I literally have no idea how they constitute arguments that the tweet was racist. I’m sorry to be dense but that’s just how it happens to be. It’s not that I disagree so much as I have no idea what the evidence is supposed to be that you say is found in those two references. > > Can you spell it out for me? Lay out your argument? So we can see if your premises are true, your inferences valid, etc? Well first , I would ask. Do you believe that race is nothing more than privilege? You know..who gets the meat and who gets the rice? let’s start there. ---
**Author:** ![SleuFeets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@SleuFeets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleuFeets)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/170 "2013-02-25T21:08:07Z")
It’s also hard to explain/reply to anything with constant editing. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/171 "2013-02-25T21:08:19Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > Well first , I would ask. Do you believe that race is nothing more than privilege? You know..who gets the meat and who gets the rice? let’s start there. Obviously the Asians get the rice, or is it the Mexicans? Shit, I’m terrible at these thought exercises. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/172 "2013-02-25T21:09:45Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > I don’t know anything about the OP other than that in his OP message he admitted to being run out by black people. In context, I believe it would be safe to say that a healthy amount of black people found the tweet to then be offensive? > > Also , fyi ..guess who buys the most hip hop albums. sales wise. > 1 guess… **Nzinga, Seated** is, by all accounts, a well-educated professional black woman. (Erm, that is, she’s a black woman who works in a white collar\* profession.) There was, ironically enough, a huge “is it racist?” blow up when she joined the board, because of the first username she chose. \*I suddenly use that phrase with a great deal of trepidation… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/173 "2013-02-25T21:11:03Z")
**SleuFeets** , an acclaimed 9-year-old actor who just became world famous and who appears to be on the verge of a lucrative film career is not in any way underprivileged or unknown or victimized. Only in discussions of Hollywood would anyone even pretend that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/174 "2013-02-25T21:12:26Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > Actually, as other people have noted, this little girl has been called arrogant or perhaps a little too precocious for her own good. You know ..a little too sassy..a la her interview with Andre Leon Tally of Vogue. Wait, was that noted in this thread? It’s the first I’ve heard. (Possibly revealing I haven’t read the whole thread…) > [@](#): > > So some people were confused IF infact the onion was calling the little girl a cunt. Even if there is some common notion that she’s “a bit of a princess” people still need to understand that the Onion is _never_ expressing the opinion of _any_ actual person. The answer to “Did the Onion just call that person a \_\_\_\_\_” is always “no.” The Onion never calls anyone anything. Rather, it writes from pretend points of view from which people would be called this or that. But the intenion is always to criticize those points of view, never to endorse them. Having said that, if it’s true that there’s a common notion that she’s …a little too sassy… as you put it, then I like the joke much less. Something still depends on whether they made the joke because she is too sassy, (in which case the joke is at her expense) or they made the joke because people _say_ she’s too sassy (in which case the joke is not at her expense). For purely pragmatic reasons, the joke becomes harder to get in this case, though, because that question is harder to answer for a greater number of people. That makes it a worse joke IMO (and a more understandable candidate, possibly, for deletion). I am 99.999% certain the joke was not intended to be at her expense–that it was supposed to be at the expense of those who talk about celebrities–but if there is a notion that she’s “too sassy” then the actual utterance of the joke does become more of a problematic action than I have said before. It asks us to do a little more mind reading (of the Onion) than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/175 "2013-02-25T21:12:38Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > **Nzinga, Seated** is, by all accounts, a well-educated professional black woman. (Erm, that is, she’s a black woman who works in a white collar\* profession.) > > There was, ironically enough, a huge “is it racist?” blow up when she joined the board, because of the first username she chose. > > \*I suddenly use that phrase with a great deal of trepidation… Why’s it gotta be a WHITE collar, huh? Collars are modern day chains of servitude, and to call them White Collars is obviously a racist reference to slavery. I’m getting better at this. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/176 "2013-02-25T21:13:15Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > Do you believe that race is nothing more than privilege? Surely melanin plays a role. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/177 "2013-02-25T21:13:35Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > [ > There was, ironically enough, a huge “is it racist?” blow up when she joined the board, because of the first username she chose. Well, it’s not a secret is it? Now I want to know–what was it? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/178 "2013-02-25T21:14:36Z")
> [@SleuFeets](#): > > Well first , I would ask. Do you believe that race is nothing more than privilege? You know..who gets the meat and who gets the rice? let’s start there. Hm that’s an interesting question! The concept of race is kind of fluid. But the _function_ of the concept does seem to be all about privilege. Is that what you mean? ---
**Author:** ![SleuFeets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@SleuFeets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleuFeets)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/179 "2013-02-25T21:18:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **SleuFeets** , an acclaimed 9-year-old actor who just became world famous and who appears to be on the verge of a lucrative film career is not in any way underprivileged or unknown or victimized. Only in discussions of Hollywood would anyone even pretend that makes sense. Did she become world famous? Can you even pronounce her name properly? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329/180 "2013-02-25T21:19:24Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Well, it’s not a secret is it? Now I want to know–what was it? “Cunt.” It was obviously deemed to be way too racist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-onion-calls-quevanzhane-wallis-a-cunt/651329.md?page=10)