# The original outlives the replacement **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 29, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661 "2016-06-29T01:36:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/61 "2016-07-02T18:44:35Z")
Not quite the same, but [Olivia de Havilland](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=797291), who just hit 100, has outlived her younger sister (and their bitter feud), who died 3 years ago at 96. They had both died they would not die untit he other one did. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/62 "2016-07-02T18:53:17Z")
If you talk about New York Yankee catchers who were MVPs Yogi Berra (died 2015) outlived his successor Elston Howard (died 1980) who himself outlived Thurman Munson (died 1970). Yogi’s predecessor Bill Dickey was not an MVP but he finished 2nd one year (four other finishes in the top 10) and he died in 1993 outliving Munson and Howard. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/63 "2016-07-05T13:36:49Z")
Original _and_ replacement outlives the replacement of the replacement…and a twofer at that: King Crimson’s original singer/bassist and drummer, Greg Lake and Michael Giles, are still alive. Replacements Gordon Haskell and Andrew McCullough are also still alive. We can add Peter Giles, who filled in as temporary bassist on Crimson’s second album. Haskell and McCullough quit after making one album and were replaced by Boz Burrell and Ian Wallace, who are both now deceased. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/64 "2016-07-05T18:18:45Z")
In 1940, Victor Jory played Lamont Cranston, aka The Shadow, in THE SHADOW. In 1946, a younger Kane Richmond took over the role in THE SHADOW RETURNS, and then stuck with it in BEHIND THE MASK and THE MISSING LADY. Richmond died in his sixties in the '70s; Jory, in his seventies in the '80s. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/65 "2016-07-05T22:21:38Z")
Stretching the concept to include sports venues: The Cleveland Indians’ long-term home, Cleveland Municipal Stadium, is long gone. But its predecessor, League Park, remains, now used by youth teams. Soon the Atlanta Braves will move and tear down Turner Field, formerly the 1996 Olympic Stadium, which replaced Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, where they moved to from Milwaukee County Stadium. All are gone, but sections of their previous home, Boston’s Braves Field, still stand. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/66 "2016-07-05T22:47:26Z")
Wally Pipp and Lou Gehrig. (Too soon?) ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/67 "2016-07-05T22:48:33Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > If you talk about New York Yankee catchers who were MVPs Yogi Berra (died 2015) outlived his successor Elston Howard (died 1980) who himself outlived Thurman Munson (died 1970). Yogi’s predecessor Bill Dickey was not an MVP but he finished 2nd one year (four other finishes in the top 10) and he died in 1993 outliving Munson and Howard. Munson died in '79, but still ahead of Howard. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/68 "2016-07-06T16:57:21Z")
The recent death of Noel Niell, who played Lois Lane in TVs “Adventures of Superman” led me to check if Phyllis Coates is still alive, which she seemingly is. Neill replaced her on the show, but had played Lois Lane previously so this one kind of works either way. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/69 "2016-07-06T19:25:43Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > As an aside, I always thought the why of that was interesting. He didn’t like working on Saturday because of his Jewish faith, and was ultimately fired because of it. I always wondered how legal that was…also how many times in Hollywood an actor declined a role for religious purposes. Completely off topic for the thread but Neal McDonough is a devout Catholic and refuses to do sex scenes because of it. And a few years back he was [fired off a show](http://www.salon.com/2010/04/01/no_sex_scene_actor/) after it became an issue. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/70 "2016-07-06T19:36:48Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Completely off topic for the thread but Neal McDonough is a devout Catholic and refuses to do sex scenes because of it. f Catholic people can’t pretend to have sex? Which amendment is that? ETA: I swear I didn’t put that lowercase f there. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/71 "2016-07-06T19:38:02Z")
Clive Revill (still with us) was the voice of Alfred in the first few episodes of _Batman: The Animated Series_, after which Efrem Zimbalist Jr. (d. 2014) took over the role. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/72 "2016-07-06T22:40:24Z")
Steve Barton, who replaced Michael Crawford as Broadway’s Phantom, committed suicide on July 21, 2001. Crawford is still alive. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/73 "2016-07-06T23:16:48Z")
Dick Sargent outlived Dick York, even though by only 2 years. So not quite. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/74 "2016-07-07T02:02:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Stretching the concept to include sports venues: The Cleveland Indians’ long-term home, Cleveland Municipal Stadium, is long gone. But its predecessor, League Park, remains, now used by youth teams. > > Soon the Atlanta Braves will move and tear down Turner Field, formerly the 1996 Olympic Stadium, which replaced Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, where they moved to from Milwaukee County Stadium. All are gone, but sections of their previous home, Boston’s Braves Field, still stand. By the same token Washington Park (the third to have that name) in Brooklyn was the home of the Dodgers from 1898 to 1911, when it was replaced by Ebbets Field. A portion of the wall of Washington Park still survives as part of a Con edison building while Ebbets Field and Shea Stadium (spiritual successor of the Dodgers according to the Wilpons) are gone. > **[Washington Park (baseball)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Park_(baseball))** > > Washington Park was the name given to three Major League Baseball parks on two different sites in the Park Slope neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, located at the intersection of Third Street and Fourth Avenue. The two sites were diagonally opposite each other, on the southeast and northwest corners. > The land on which the ballparks were built was itself known as "Washington Park" and originally consisted largely of an open green space which was flooded in the wintertime as a skating rink. It f... ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/75 "2016-07-07T02:19:58Z")
And a piece of Forbes Field in Pittsburgh (the section of wall that Mazeroski’s homer cleared) still stands, while Three Rivers Stadium is gone, come to think of it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/76 "2016-07-07T10:33:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And a piece of Forbes Field in Pittsburgh (the section of wall that Mazeroski’s homer cleared) still stands, while Three Rivers Stadium is gone, come to think of it. Although Three Rivers Stadium is gone, two of the blue seats persist. They are in our basement. [Not sure exactly why, but they’re there.](http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv174/kayaker01/image_zpsoenxqsrm.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![BorgHunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@BorgHunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BorgHunter)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/77 "2016-07-07T13:01:17Z")
Cory Lidle was a replacement player for Major League Baseball in 1995, during the players’ strike. He went on to have a pretty successful career, until it was cut short in a plane crash in 2006. Lidle was only 34, and plenty of players who had played in 1994 were still active (and even more still alive, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/78 "2016-07-07T20:01:37Z")
Raul Julia long dead. John Astin alive. Both Gomez. Heck, Tim Curry almost died a few years ago, too. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/79 "2016-07-07T20:36:57Z")
Ron McGovney, the original bassist for Metallica, is alive. Cliff Burton, his replacement, is not. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661/80 "2016-07-09T14:47:07Z")
The Beatle’s first manager [Allan Williams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Williams) has outlived Brian Epstein by 49 years and counting! That has to be some kind of record. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-original-outlives-the-replacement/758661.md?page=5)