The Origins of Life

A few comments on various things people have mentioned:

The age of the Earth is estimated at 4.6 billion years. Geochronologists recently identified the oldest known piece of continental crust – a small patch of northwestern Canada dated to 4.055 billion years. So within the first 500 million years or so of the Earth’s existence, differentiation of molten rock into a crust, mantle and core was well underway (although continental crust continued to accumulate in volume for possibly another 1.5 billion years). Early large-scale bombardment of the Earth by dust and debris, including the Mars-sized impactor that is thought to be responsible for the Moon’s existence, would probably have resulted in the repeated destruction of early atmospheres formed through volcanic outgassing of the Earth’s interior. That bombardment is believed to have died down by the time the Earth was 400 million years old or so.

IIRC, the oldest possible fossil microbes are about 3.8 billion years old; some geochemical evidence suggests biological activity as early as 3.9 billion years. The early appearance of single-celled life forms poses a huge problem in understanding the subsequent evolution of life. Why would organic molecules be able to make the leap to single-celled organisms, complete with cell walls and genetic material (RNA or DNA), in maybe 300 million years or less, and then make no clear progress towards multicellular life forms for another 2.5 billion years or more? (The oldest known multicellular algae are just 1.4 billion years old. The oldest fossils of multicellular animals are about 600 million years old; molecular systematics studies suggest that they might have emerged as early as 1.2 billion years ago.)

The apparent slow tempo of microbial evolution through much of Earth history has provided some grist for the panspermia mill. If it’s so difficult for life to evolve beyond what we would consider a “primitive” stage, the reasoning goes, then surely life must have begun elsewhere and been brought here. The presence of abundant organic molecules in space offers support for the hypothesis, in that we know the materials necessary for Earth-like life are at least available (as several people have pointed out). Most of the mechanisms I‘ve heard discussed for the transport of life to this world don’t involve meteorite ejecta (sedimentary rocks, etc.) from other worlds arriving here, but rather comets. Comets offer some advantages in that the appropriate biochemicals and/or life forms could have been protected from the rigors of space by ice; cometary ice is already thought to have been an important contributor of water to early Earth oceans. If life required stable conditions to form, then it’s unlikely that any body belonging to the inner solar systems (i.e., the planets, their moons, and the asteroids) were the source, because their early history would have been as equally violent as the Earth’s.

The $64,000 question that Scylla raises is: just how hard is it for life to form from organic molecules? At the moment, no one really has a clue. Mixing a bunch of organic chemicals together in a “soup” doesn’t seem to encourage any sort of biological activity. Mineral substrates the replication of proteins or primitive RNA molecules is an attractive idea, but no lab experiments have yet succeeded in coaxing organic chemicals into life-like activity. Perhaps there is some other mechanism that no one’s thought of yet. The microbiologists will be scurrying around in their labs for a while yet, I suspect.

For the moment, let’s assume that we’re all dunces, and it’s actually easy to start life up from a bunch of chemicals once you know how. Then there’s no problem with Earth life beginning on Earth, but how do you do it under the aforementioned hostile conditions? One good possibility is in the dark, at the ocean bottom, where hydrothermal vents spewing nutrients could have been oases for chemotrophs. The water overhead would have provided a buffer against violent impacts early on, as well as facilitating chemical reactions to spur development and geographic distribution of organisms.

OK, you’re saying, that doesn’t explain why there are organisms with adaptations for conditions that surely don’t exist on the Earth now, but are more characteristic of space. One possible answer is that the traits we now see originally evolved for a different function, and accidentally provided some additional benefit that was perpetuated. For example, there is a hypothesis that biomineralization (the formation of shells) originated as a way to protect organisms from spontaneous encrusting of their bodies in an ocean that was supersaturated with respect to calcium carbonate. The fact that shells subsequently became useful for protecting organisms from predation was an added bonus that enhanced the survivability of the organisms that possessed it; so the ability to make shells was retained even after ocean chemistry changed and became undersaturated w/r/t calcium carbonate. Specialized traits in micro-organisms may not be any different; for example, Deinococcus radiodurans is resistant to radiation because its DNA contains a remarkable number of redundant sequences, giving the critter the ability to repair ANY damage to its DNA (caused by radiation or anything else).

Intensely salty, radioactive, dry, hot, cold, pressurized, and mineral-laden environments do exist in abundance on this world. Microbiologists are just beginning to appreciate the diversity of environments that Earth life is capable of surviving. The fact that organisms can survive in these environments is not sufficient evidence that they arose off this world. As I pointed out in my earlier post, it will be devilishly difficult to demonstrate where the mother-of-all micro-organisms arose. (A logistical problem also presents itself: how to analyze and compare the DNA of the millions of species of single-celled organisms to narrow the search down to the “most primitive” ones genetically. Also, what do we do with viruses?)

A few additional comments:

If life originated on this world in the first 500 million years of its existence, during the early bombardment period, DNA may not be the carrier of genetic material in life that subsequently developed off-world. DNA, and the process by which it is replicated, are complex biochemically and would have been a relatively “late” development. If proteins or RNA molecules were thrown from Earth and survived elsewhere, their subsequent evolutionary paths could have been quite different.

These were likely terrestrial contaminants. Components for space vehicles and satellites are constructed and assembled in clean rooms, but I don’t think the manufacturing sites filter for microbes.

See my comment above on adaptations. Early oceans may have been clement, relatively speaking, but they would still have been extreme environments compared to the world as a whole today. There is no actual evidence for micro-organisms surviving 230 million years in space; if this is Zubrin’s quote, I think he misspoke. It may be possible, but it has not been demonstrated (and would be very difficult to do, in any event). Alternatively, perhaps he was thinking of the oldest fossili

Oops, I see in the time spent futzing around in my office I’ve missed some new comments. My apologies for re-hashing any bits already covered.

Thanks for the post. The microbes recovered from Surveyor were undoubtedly terrestrial in origin. What’s remarkable is that the survived the trip and years in space.

Europa has no atmosphere (that I heard of) yet has water.

One possible reason that nobody has generated life from Campbell’s primordial soup, is that it might take a couple of hundred million years or so. Scientists are impatient and usually go home before that much time has passed.

Europa is a special case, in that any water is may have is shielded by ice. If organisms did land there, I suppose they’d have to make their way through the ice before anything else could happen (possible, because the ice is definitely imperfect and has cracks). Titan is intriguing because it has sufficient gravity to hold on to its own atmosphere.

Some scientists I know would be perfectly happy hanging around for that long, if only their SO’s would leave them alone! : + D

Fillet:

I don’t know why Europa is a “special case.” For all we know the setup of no atmosphere/ice over water, might be common. Beats me.

Earthquakes and ice movement would be likely to eventually bring surface material deeper. That might be a mechanism where bacteria could reach water.

Also it seems, and this is just a guess, that the more material deposited on the ice, the less reflective it would be, the faster it might heat up. If the material were heavier than water it might work it’s way down.

I love finding someone more eloquent than I to state what I mean:

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce020200.html

Scylla,

I meant that Europa is a special case in our solar system of a world that has no atmosphere yet still has liquid water (possibly; it could be slush).

If it were a planet in its own right, it would be almost completely frozen, because radioactive decay in its core would not provide sufficient heat to maintain a liquid ocean beneath a carapace of ice. Any liquid water present now on Europa is the result of heating due to tidal friction as Europa revolves around Jupiter.

A world with no atmosphere or very low atmospheric pressure can’t have liquid water on its surface, because the water would simply boil off. A world covered by ice might have an ocean of liquid water underneath, but only if there were a mechanism for internal heating (e.g., tidal friction a la Europa, or heating due to radioactive decay a la Earth). I agree that there may be many other worlds like Europa outside the solar system, but the heating criterion has to be met first.

The effects of dark-colored dust (or organisms, in this case) on the albedo of ice plus potential heating effects is an important question in climate modeling. Among the people I’ve talked to, there seems to be a lack of consensus about the effects. Yes, dark particulate matter will reduce the ice’s albedo, at least initially, and may lead to surface melting of the ice and sinking of the dark material. (On Europa, it’s not clear that surface melting could occur because the ambient surface temperature is well below water’s freezing point.) Once the dark matter has sunk into the ice, however, its continued effects on albedo are dependent on the mechanisms and frequency of new ice formation on the surface. The rate at which the particles would continue to sink through the ice is affected by the rate of new surface ice formation as well as the rate at which ice melts at the bottom of the layer; the particles won’t sink independently (because they have no means to continue melting their way through the ice). This could be a viable mechanism for transporting material down to Europa’s internal ocean, but given the probable thickness of the ice (10 km or more) I’d say it could take a very long time.

Excellent link Dr.F. I’m still not convinced that panspermia’s not possible, but I agree that it’s poor science.


Yet to be reconciled with the reality of the dark for a moment, I go on wandering from dream to dream.

Hey everyone, take a quick look here.

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Actually, you have a source. If you would cite the source here, then we would have a source, as well.

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Also, considering your:

So, you consider it more likely that your hypothetical lifespeck traveling at interstellar speeds will survive an impact with planetary crust material without the deceleration from encountering atmosphere? An interesting survival mechanism indeed.

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Looking at Fillet’s link, I found a reference (a couple links deep) to the fossilized “Martian” bacteria found in '96. Since this seems very relevant to the topic at hand (as a possible example of local panspermia), I was wondering if there had been any developments on that particular rock. Seems to me you’d almost have to crack it open and find fossils inside to confirm that it was not simply earthly bacteria that managed to find that particular rock. Or is it possible to date a sample that small?

I say we test panspermia in a scientific fashion. Let’s strap all the members of the Senate on the the bottom of the space shuttle, drop the members of the House from the cargo bay, and see what percentage remain after re-entry.

I am having trouble tracking down a cite for the Permian bacteria. I have, however, found several references to extremely halophytic archaebacteria which live in halite deposits which were formed in the Permian. That colonies of salt-tolerant bacteria are living in old salt domes is not the same as reviving 250-million year old bacterial spores.

I will continue the research, as this is amusing me.

I’m sorry, that was inappropriate.

The shuttle would never get off the pad, since everyone would call “Shotgun!” and the filibuster would be awful.

mrblue92, They did actually crack that martian meteorite open. The general consensus in the scientific community is that it doesn’t contain any geochemical features that could be explained only by biological activity. (The more cynical folks view the whole episode as an effort by NASA to drum up interest, and hence funding, since the general public sort of yawns these days over shuttle launches.)

There are a variety of methods for radioisotope dating of organic material, depending on the estimated age of the material. (For example, carbon-14 is most accurate for samples less than 30,000 years old; U-Pb or Pb-Pb dating can be employed for older specimens as much as hundreds of millions of years old, but then the error bars are likely to be much bigger.) Although certain methods require very little material (e.g., sometimes as little as 1 g), the micron-sized objects found in the martian meteorite are far too small to date reliably by any current method.

Thanks, Fillet. I figured as much on both counts.

Triscademus:

Zubrin Entering Space Pg. 250

“Spores of bacteria have been recovered from amber and Permian salt deposits and revived to life after periods of dormancy of 90 and 230 million years(!!!), respectively.”

I am going to ask you to use your imagination a little, on how a spore might make it intact onto the surface of Europa. It might come in on a meteorite that would otherwise burn up in atmosphere. It might be slowed down by the gravity well of Jupiter. It might come in on abig meterorite and smash right through the ice. etc. etc.

Dr. Fidelius

I have read and studied John Richfield’s essay. It seems clear he has a chip on his shoulder as he lumps Panspermia in with UFOS, Space epidemics, cold fusion and insults proponents of the theory as being sloppy and fanatical(which is an unfair general characterization. I do not tolerate prejudice as to race creed or abiogenesis theory :slight_smile:

He also states that it’s a waste of time, the answer is moot, and we should all spend our time doing more important things than worrying about it.

This is the same thing my Mom told me about sex. So what does he know.

I can immediately see interesting ramifications of panspermia. Perhaps ancient earth was not the ideal place for the formation of ealy life. If near relatives to the original panspermic bacteria could be found, guesses might be made as to the environment they evolved in, and we might have a better understanding of the chemistry of earlier life forms.

Perhaps bacteria evolve quite readily in the upper atmsophere of gas giants, and evolve to increasing complexity only if they are carried to the smaller planets. If such were the case we might guess that life would be more readily found in solar systems with both gas giants and smaller inner planets.

A better understanding of the nature of early life seems like a worthy goal for it’s ownsake.

The whole monkeys and typewriters bit as a model for the primordial soup was basically pointless but funny.

There is no discussion on what has become the focus of this thread.

He makes no mention of the potential mechanics or feasibility of panspermia, nor any on what to me is the most interesting part of the theory.

Reverse Panspermia as I have postulated, seems statistically plausible even if you cut the survivability of bacteria in space by a factor of 100 or more.

If that is the case then it may be the height of arrogance to assume that Earth was the first such planet to evolve life, and that that life must be indigenous.

If this effect is occuring at all. there has been more than enough time for bactera to spread throughout the galaxy many times over.

From Earth or elsewhere it doesn’t make much difference.

But Hey, I’m…


Often wrong… NEVER in doubt

As far as this theory goes

  1. We have several examples of bacteria which can make the trip

  2. We have methods for bacteria reaching a planetary surface alive

  3. We have a mechanism for interstellar dispersion of bacteria.

  4. We have a simplistic probability model which suggests this process has been in operation for 3.8 billion years.

  5. We have the as yet unaddressed problem of how bacteria evolved so quickly once the earth cooled.

  6. In just the timeframe in question we have the earth undergoing heavy meteoric bombardment.

  7. We have “space adapted” bacteria

  8. The bacteria most likely to make a successful interstellar trip are also those most likely to be thrown intact into space: Extremeophile anerobic bacteria that make their homes deep within porous rocks.

  9. The upper limit of bacterial dormancy is not known and may well exceed 250 million years.

Certainly this is the basis for reasonable inquiry. At this time it seems like a simpler explanation then the sudden eyeblink evolution of bacteria on earth.

On the negative side we have

  1. It doesn’t matter

  2. There’s no reason to postulate it

  3. A link to a sarcastic Englishman whose basic argument is: we don’t need no stinking panspermia.

  4. A general sense that people don’t like the idea.


Often wrong… NEVER in doubt