# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/581 "2019-02-15T14:41:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > heck, I may well be the only person who liked “A Million Ways to Die in the West” - Nope, we like it in our household a lot. Even scene in the spirit journey with the giant sheep peeing on Seth. Or, wait, maybe despite that part. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/582 "2019-02-15T15:21:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Talla: This has to be the weirdest thing that ever happened on this ship. > > Malloy and Lamarr: _recite the events of season 1_ “And the time that Bortus almost crashed the ship because of porn.” I agree that the ending of last night’s episode was pretty powerful. On the other hand, five minutes in, I was saying, “Not another damned Bortus episode.” And, at this point, I’m really kind of sick of the Moclan. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/583 "2019-02-15T15:33:06Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Of course, then you wind up with ships like the _Gay Bruiser_ and _Cockchafer_. > [@bump](#): > > Pretty sure those would be submarines… Long and hard and full of seamen? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/584 "2019-02-16T04:13:54Z")
The new security chief is starting to distinguish herself from Alara Kitan - she’s from a long line of Xeleyan military, and was stronger in confronting the crazy astrologers and in confronting Klyden than I think Alara would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/585 "2019-02-16T04:53:22Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > There wasn’t a single surprise in the whole thing, honestly, but it was really well executed, and that’s what’s important. I thought that an assassin had stuck in on that unreqested missile that was so explicitly pointed out earlier, but in the end it wasn’t a LaMarr’s Gun. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/586 "2019-02-16T05:29:00Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > “And the time that Bortus almost crashed the ship because of porn.” > > I agree that the ending of last night’s episode was pretty powerful. On the other hand, five minutes in, I was saying, “Not another damned Bortus episode.” And, at this point, I’m really kind of sick of the Moclan. Yeah, same here. Too much of him. I think they are trying to make some politcal point here with Moclan society. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/587 "2019-02-16T06:21:35Z")
I actually thought Locar was going to hijack the ship - they lingered on Talla providing her security override code in front of him, so I thought he was going to hack in or whatever, then the Moclans fired that torpedo which going to do something. Instead it turned into The Outcast. I should probably stop overthinking this show. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/588 "2019-02-16T12:22:14Z")
They tossed in a small Star Trek Meta-reference. “Stop playback at 1701._n_” ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/589 "2019-02-16T13:48:56Z")
BTW, I timed this episode. It does appear to be a longer runtime than the normal 1 hour show: Total episode run time, from opening in New York until the episode ended, was 46:05. That doesn’t include the 1 minute opening credits, and I stopped as soon as the episode itself ended - no closing credits or scenes from next week. Commercial breaks were: 1:30, 1:30 4:10, 1:30, 1:30. So 4 shorter than usual breaks and one long break in the middle. According to wikipedia, 1 hour dramas generally run 39-42 minutes. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, same here. Too much of him. I think they are trying to make some politcal point here with Moclan society. I’m wondering if they’re setting up some conflict within the Union - that’s why Kelly said the Union needs the Moclans, but Ed wonders how long can an alliance with them really last? Maybe the season will end with the Moclans leaving the Union, no doubt violently, & Bortus deciding where he goes. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/590 "2019-02-16T20:02:06Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I thought that an assassin had stuck in on that unreqested missile that was so explicitly pointed out earlier, but in the end it wasn’t a LaMarr’s Gun. I was thinking Locar staged his suicide to look like a murder to save his family from banishment. Klyden’s attitude wasn’t surprising at all though. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/591 "2019-02-16T20:40:26Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’m wondering if they’re setting up some conflict within the Union - that’s why Kelly said the Union needs the Moclans, but Ed wonders how long can an alliance with them really last? Maybe the season will end with the Moclans leaving the Union, no doubt violently, & Bortus deciding where he goes. I was thinking that that could be a possibility. (FWIW, the announced title of the season finale is “Blood of Patriots.”) If it’s not, then, IMO, MacFarlane is giving us way too much Moclan – out of 19 episodes aired to date, three (and two of the last six) have centered on Moclan society and culture. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/592 "2019-02-17T00:47:42Z")
Also I’m starting to think that the ancient Moclans had 2 sexes like most humanoids on the show, but their culture was so misogynistic they genetically engineered their females away (except for the occasional atavistic throwback). Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/593 "2019-02-17T01:02:15Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Also I’m starting to think that the ancient Moclans had 2 sexes like most humanoids on the show, but their culture was so misogynistic they genetically engineered their females away (except for the occasional atavistic throwback). I had the same thought. In Niven’s Known Space the Kzinti have nonsentient females - but we later learn that this was not always the case. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/594 "2019-02-17T01:05:52Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Also I’m starting to think that the ancient Moclans had 2 sexes like most humanoids on the show, but their culture was so misogynistic they genetically engineered their females away (except for the occasional atavistic throwback). I honestly thought the big reveal would be that ‘the occasional atavistic throwback’ was the case roughly 50% of the time — you know, with families typically hiding their secret shame with a quick Let Us Never Speak Of This instead of comparing notes. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/595 "2019-02-17T01:15:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I honestly thought the big reveal would be that ‘the occasional atavistic throwback’ was the case roughly 50% of the time — you know, with families typically hiding their secret shame with a quick Let Us Never Speak Of This instead of comparing notes. The number of secretly female Moclan we’ve seen is consistent with that idea and inconsistent with the Moclan government story. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/596 "2019-02-17T01:29:41Z")
I’m thinking that moclans being attracted to females is analogous to being gay in the first half of the twentieth century. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/597 "2019-02-17T01:44:19Z")
Klyden is played by Chad Coleman, who portrayed Tyreese on the Walking Dead. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/598 "2019-02-17T05:45:39Z")
When did Klyden find out about Locar’s secret? Early on, when Locar shows up at Bortus’ home, Klyden seems to genuinely welcome him to dinner. There’s no hint of a hidden agenda or hidden hostility. Then next we see Klyden, he’s in the brig, basically saying that he planned to expose Locar and showing extreme hostility. Did Klyden find out about the secret after that dinner, and decide to turn him in then and there? Seemed like some extreme behavior on Klyden’s part. We have seen Klyden feel obligated by Moclan customs, in regards to his own shame at being born as female, and their duty to their child, but the seething hatred he shows in the brig just seemed out of character to me. He always seemed more dutiful towards the customs than enthusiastically embracing them. Also, why was Klyden going to the simulator? They say that Klyden was at the simulator at the same time that the holo-murder was committed. But it’s not really explained. Did Locar somehow invite him there or drop the hint that he should come there, as part of the frame job? Did he originally want the holo-murder to be committed in front of the security officer? Did the simulator kick in and simulate Klyden entering the simulator moments before he actually did? That doesn’t really make sense either. I was somewhat impaired while watching it so I may be not remembering something obvious. Overall I liked it. I like the idea of sci-fi stories in which deep rooted cultural clashes can’t be resolved easily with everyone feeling like they’re the good guy in the end. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/599 "2019-02-17T05:56:38Z")
I thought this episode was pretty good, but not super awesome. “All the World is Birthday Cake” is still my favorite. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Long and hard and full of seamen? 😃 > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, same here. Too much of him. I think they are trying to make some politcal point here with Moclan society. I think so too. Given Seth’s pretty hardcore atheism, I took it as an analogue to conservative Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. > [@Andy\_L](#): > > I had the same thought. In Niven’s Known Space the Kzinti have nonsentient females - but we later learn that this was not always the case. Oooh, creepy. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/600 "2019-02-17T11:05:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > When did Klyden find out about Locar’s secret? As far as I could tell, Klyden started out friendly and gracious with Locar, no doubt curious to pick Locar’s brain about Bortus’ past. One evening Klyden went to visit with Locar, who was in the holodeck at the time, and before announcing his presence, Klyden observed clear evidence that Locar liked a yucky girl. Cooties! Klyden, now enraged, vowed to expose Locar’s secret, then left. Locar then set up and executed the fake suicide, framing Klyden. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=31)