# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/661 "2019-02-23T01:06:27Z")
Holy crap that was unexpected! :eek: For a moment I had hopes that those corpses were the Kaylons’ biological forms before some kind of technological singularity and uploaded themselves into artificial bodies, but nope, the machines rose up against their creators. Now I wonder if it’s going to get bad enough that the Union and the _Krill_ have to join forces. 🆒 > [@kunilou](#): > > … > However > > They’ve already established that the doctor’s N-grams or whatever they called them have had an effect on Isaac’s programming. Isaac will do something to foil the attack.The day will be saved. I think I’m going to be disappointed if Isaac ends up saving the day; even if he sacrifices himself by doing so. It’s too cliché. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > … **davidm** , I don’t think the point was that the Kaylons want to settle the planets currently being occupied by biologic life forms, I think the point is the Kaylons are going to start traveling throughout the galaxy, and will therefore come into much greater contact with bios whether they like it or not. They assume this will lead to conflict, so they may as well take them out now with an unexpected first strike. Agreed; the Kaylon are going to seek to exterminate _all_ biological lifeforms lest biological lifeforms try to exterminate them. > [@davidm](#): > > The Kaylons obviously have very advanced tech capabilities, so why not just send automated bombs or lasers or whatever? Why hijack a Union ship and put themselves in harms way? Maybe the Orville (& it’s crew) are part of a plan to keep the Union Fleet’s guard down as long as possible. Not sure how the crew fits into this since I don’t any of the command staffing playing along for cameras; perhaps they have enough data to convincingly fake communications, but not biosigns? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The Kaylons, automatons who turned on and defeated their masters, may be wary of equipping automatons with advanced tech to go to war for their masters. All this has happened before and all this will happen again? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/662 "2019-02-23T02:03:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Somewhere it was said that the dots represent eyes to make him seem more “real” to humans. Why do the other guys have dots at all? I wondered about that, as well as why all of the Kaylons were bipedal humanoids. I had assumed that Isaac assumed that form and had the “eyes” to accommodate the humans (and also because it makes it easier to operate the controls on board the ship). But then we saw that the biological creators of the Kaylons were also bipedal humanoids. So it’s likely that the Kaylons were designed that way. Doesn’t explain why Isaac’s eyes are a different color than the others. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/663 "2019-02-23T02:40:01Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The Kaylons obviously have very advanced tech capabilities, so why not just send automated bombs or lasers or whatever? Why hijack a Union ship and put themselves in harms way? Because unless you’re talking about a Great White Whale, an enormous shark, or a planet-eating Doomsday Machine, you want your good guys and bad guys to not just fight, but to fight each other. Preferably hand to hand, but at least face to face. Because this time it’s personal! And never, EVER question why characters don’t do something that seems perfectly logical. You’ll destroy the entire mystery, action, and situation comedy genres - just to name three.😃 ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/664 "2019-02-23T04:52:15Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > …Doesn’t explain why Isaac’s eyes are a different color than the others. The Kaylon’s preliminary research indicated humans would find glowing red eyes ominous? ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/665 "2019-02-23T05:22:36Z")
I thought it was amazing that they know how to sit even though there are no chairs on their planet. Why build in the ability to sit if there is no way or reason to use it? Or is that too much nitpicking? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/666 "2019-02-23T05:27:23Z")
why would they feel a need to hide the bodies of the dead? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/667 "2019-02-23T06:26:59Z")
Indeed. Building those caverns and dumping bodies in them has to be more involved than simply vaporizing the bodies. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Actually, as can be seen in books like “The Nitpickers Guide to the Original Star Trek”, you only nitpick what you love. But the people nitpicking that episode showed no signs of loving it. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/668 "2019-02-23T08:36:32Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > But having said that, I think Seth is purposely making the Union even more naive and gullible than the TNG Federation was. Maybe humans are the Pakleds of the Orville-verse. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/669 "2019-02-23T08:43:49Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > Starbuck will save the day! 😃 The similarities are too obvious. Was MacFarlane influenced by BSG, or is it not just that original an idea? The Kaylon/cylon creation kills its creator. Not that I don’t like it. I want to watch BSG again. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/670 "2019-02-23T12:31:38Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > 😃 The similarities are too obvious. Was MacFarlane influenced by BSG, or is it not just that original an idea? The Kaylon/cylon creation kills its creator. Not that I don’t like it. I want to watch BSG again. “God did it. So say we all!” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/671 "2019-02-23T13:14:48Z")
Robots / AI killing their creators was probably in thousands of stories before BSG, it definitely didn’t start there. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/672 "2019-02-23T14:38:10Z")
Those head-guns were super creepy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/673 "2019-02-23T14:48:09Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Those head-guns were super creepy. I’m kinda waiting for the Dr to show up. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/674 "2019-02-23T15:21:35Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I’m kinda waiting for the Dr to show up. Yes, the Kaylons were reminding me of the Cybermen too. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/675 "2019-02-23T16:16:11Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Kaylon’s preliminary research indicated humans would find glowing red eyes ominous? The whole trope of glowing eyes is stupid in the first place. What’s a great way to make an effective optical sensor? Not by making the whole thing glow. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/676 "2019-02-23T16:30:06Z")
Except we were told that the glowing “eyes” are not optical sensors, but just there to make the humanoids comfortable and the Kaylons “see” with unseen sensors. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/677 "2019-02-23T17:35:38Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Except we were told that the glowing “eyes” are not optical sensors, but just there to make the humanoids comfortable and the Kaylons “see” with unseen sensors. Exactly. Why to the others have them? They decided to light up when humans came to visit? I presume the different color is so that we can recognize Issac. Is that Issac, or another unit pretending to be him? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/678 "2019-02-23T19:58:24Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > 😃 The similarities are too obvious. Was MacFarlane influenced by BSG, or is it not just that original an idea? The Kaylon/cylon creation kills its creator. Not that I don’t like it. I want to watch BSG again. This dates from the early days of SF. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/679 "2019-02-23T20:02:55Z")
Keep in mind that the Kaylons were designed by humanoids. Presumably they designed them to appear more relatable to their creators and the glowing eyes could be a holdover from the original design. The different colors could indicate the intended functionality of a given unit. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/680 "2019-02-23T20:09:26Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Keep in mind that the Kaylons were designed by humanoids. Presumably they designed them to appear more relatable to their creators and the glowing eyes could be a holdover from the original design. > > The different colors could indicate the intended functionality of a given unit. just like light sabers and blasters - blue=good, red=bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=35)