# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/681 "2019-02-23T20:12:00Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Doesn’t explain why Isaac’s eyes are a different color than the others. It’s for the benefit of those of us watching at home, of course. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/682 "2019-02-23T20:13:06Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > It’s for the benefit of those of us watching at home, of course. Well, they had to have someone there to greet the Orville, no? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/683 "2019-02-23T20:53:22Z")
They should have portrayed everyone but Isaac sans eyes. Would achieve the same thing while actually making sense. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/684 "2019-02-23T21:03:56Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They should have portrayed everyone but Isaac sans eyes. Would achieve the same thing while actually making sense. Butthen where would the guns have come from? THe fingers? c’mon, this is a _serious_ show - can’t have the bad guy pointing a laser finger at someone and going ‘pew pew’ now can we? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/685 "2019-02-23T21:14:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They should have portrayed everyone but Isaac sans eyes. Would achieve the same thing while actually making sense. Indeed. Why are the Kaylon’s of differing heights? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/686 "2019-02-24T03:07:38Z")
When Claire confronted Isaac, Isaac was clearly breathing (presumably because the actor inside was affected by the intensity of the scene) (hat tip to Dendarii Dame for noticing the breathing). Victor Garber looked much older than he did last season - I hope he’s okay. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/687 "2019-02-24T03:53:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Exactly. Why to the others have them? They decided to light up when humans came to visit? > I presume the different color is so that we can recognize Issac. Is that Issac, or another unit pretending to be him? I think the bigger what is _what_ is “Isaac”? Is Isaac the hardware or the software? IIRC a past episode implied it’s the latter. If he’s software then I don’t see why he can’t be duplicated. Also I think Isaac’s “reports” include all of his memories so any random Kaylon could (as long as they had blue “eyes”) impersonate so convincingly the crew wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. It’ll be interesting to see if the crew (& by extension the audience) have been anthropomorphizing him _way_ more they should. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/688 "2019-02-24T03:57:52Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think the bigger what is _what_ is “Isaac”? Is Isaac the hardware or the software? IIRC a past episode implied it’s the latter. If he’s software then I don’t see why he can’t be duplicated. Also I think Isaac’s “reports” include all of his memories so any random Kaylon could (as long as they had blue “eyes”) impersonate so convincingly the crew wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. It’ll be interesting to see if the crew (& by extension the audience) have been anthropomorphizing him _way_ more they should. I did wonder about the question of identity (as well as the question of why different Kaylon have very similar forms - why?). Since they were invented (and not evolved in some sort of machine ecology), I suppose that their creators might have built-in some limitations regarding what forms they can take (or are willing to take) and how much individuality they have. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/689 "2019-02-24T05:23:54Z")
Did anyone else think the scene where the security chief (whose name I haven’t learned yet) leads Isaac to his farewell party was a direct copy of Lando leading Han and Leia to Vader? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/690 "2019-02-24T16:26:40Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Did anyone else think the scene where the security chief (whose name I haven’t learned yet) leads Isaac to his farewell party was a direct copy of Lando leading Han and Leia to Vader? I thought that we were going to get another 10 minutes of hugging. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/691 "2019-02-24T16:38:25Z")
> [@simster](#): > > just like light sabers and blasters - blue=good, red=bad. Purple = badass ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/692 "2019-02-24T17:19:24Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I thought that we were going to get another 10 minutes of hugging. I was hoping for more cake ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/693 "2019-02-24T17:23:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Purple = badass You misspelled “Bad Motherfucker.” ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/694 "2019-02-24T17:28:10Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Did anyone else think the scene where the security chief (whose name I haven’t learned yet) leads Isaac to his farewell party was a direct copy of Lando leading Han and Leia to Vader? I dunno, but Mercer telling ISAAC to search his database for a speech, and him [deciding on Sally Fields](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtUVDG5M1w) had me rolling. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/695 "2019-02-24T18:07:02Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I did wonder about the question of identity … One suspects we are supposed to, given the title of the two parter … So in the teaser for next week Kelly is seen saying “we need to work together if this is going to work” Is, as suggested earlier in this thread, the “we” the Krill, now joining against a more existential threat despite their fundamentalism (as Moclus also tolerates what is to them heathenism for the benefits to continued survival on a tough planet)? Not a bad thought. And the theme of fundamentalist/religious societies joining (Moclus) or not joining (Krill and Rigor 2 of Birthday Cake) a more secular broader coalition and its difficulties, is clearly one the show is interested in and in making its modern era comments about. Or Issac and possibly some others? One can imagine a Hugh the Borg callback here. Remember that Hugh’s programming being corrupted with individualism was starting to spread like a virus as he rejoined the Borg, disrupting the hive mind? Issac’s programming is similarly corrupted with an analogue of affection (or at least codependency) … Claire, and perhaps biologicals, have metaphorically “gotten under his skin”, in his machine way. And I am wondering if the way they go is that his programming thus corrupted has begun to spread and leads to a faction of Kaylons revolting against Prime’s leadership, and being the other part of that “we” … Yeah the Sally Field speech was a good bit. The humor was not so broadly placed this ep but what there was was very good. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/696 "2019-02-24T19:42:07Z")
I was less enthralled about the plot turn (I mean, it was both predictable and trite, in a way) than I have been recently, but I loved the subtle humor touches. And having Malloy sing an Air Supply song was awesome. I love the way the show uses music in many episodes. I LOVED the whole bit about Dr. Finn and her kids coming face to face with the reality of Isaac the machine. I just am waiting for the other shoe to drop, when we learn what Isaac has really become as a result of his experiences on The Orville. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/697 "2019-02-24T20:28:06Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Indeed. Building those caverns and dumping bodies in them has to be more involved than simply vaporizing the bodies. They obviously built the entrances to the caverns, but the caves themselves looked natural, not built. And it would be a waste of energy to vaporize them. Many were probably herded into the caverns for elimination. For those who weren’t, it is still more energy efficient to throw the bodies onto piles and let bacteria and scavengers do the work. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/698 "2019-02-24T20:50:59Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I was hoping for more cake Only if a corner piece is available. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/699 "2019-02-24T23:06:13Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > They obviously built the entrances to the caverns, but the caves themselves looked natural, not built. > > And it would be a waste of energy to vaporize them. Many were probably herded into the caverns for elimination. For those who weren’t, it is still more energy efficient to throw the bodies onto piles and let bacteria and scavengers do the work. Why must we think it’s all about super duper efficiency? Maybe it’s more hording mentality. Those bones contain information. It costs them little to leave them where they dumped them. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/700 "2019-02-24T23:29:09Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think the bigger what is _what_ is “Isaac”? Is Isaac the hardware or the software? [If you prick him, does he not leak?](https://youtu.be/i4VxbnGbWbM?t=26) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=36)