# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/721 "2019-02-25T18:04:58Z")
Did anyone mention that the kid should not have been able to exit the ship on his own? Perhaps he was using his mother’s code, or that of someone else, but I’d think they’d have some form of biometric scanning (handprint or iris print). ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/722 "2019-02-25T18:42:37Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Only if a corner piece is available. I hate this party. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/723 "2019-02-25T21:32:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I also think it would have been SOP to have a security detail posted at the airlock while docked. Yeah, we don’t see much outside the main 8 or so characters and a small handful of secondary ones like Yaphit and Dann. I’d think there would be some kind of goon squad specially detailed to doing away missions- they’d be armed, trained, etc… and most importantly NOT senior officers. They’d also do stuff like you suggest and post security people at exits and/or have the ship not let people off without some sort of more involved procedure than stealing your mom’s communicator (if Ty’s exit even required that). ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/724 "2019-02-25T21:58:51Z")
Wonder if Locar somehow is called in to save the day with his brilliant engineering? Alternately, what if his “cloaking device” that he used on the shuttle enables Talla to save the day? (Maybe he can engineer a door chime for the ship.) The Kaylon spheres remind me of the Borg cubes. I was surprised nobody specifically called out the Kaylons out for their hypocrisy. “You’re criticizing us for genocide? Look who’s talking!” Also, “If you need space, why haven’t you used the skeleton caves?” ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/725 "2019-02-25T22:04:08Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Yeah, we don’t see much outside the main 8 or so characters and a small handful of secondary ones like Yaphit and Dann. > > I’d think there would be some kind of goon squad specially detailed to doing away missions- they’d be armed, trained, etc… and most importantly NOT senior officers. > > They’d also do stuff like you suggest and post security people at exits and/or have the ship not let people off without some sort of more involved procedure than stealing your mom’s communicator (if Ty’s exit even required that). It would have been easy to mitigate the problem with a little dialogue - something like “We don’t want to offend the Kaylon, so let’s not post armed guards by the doors as if we don’t trust these powerful folks whom we want to ally with, this time.” (still not perfect, of course, but at least an acknowledgement that security was less than usual due to the circumstances). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/726 "2019-02-25T22:13:04Z")
> [@bump](#): > > …I’d think there would be some kind of goon squad specially detailed to doing away missions- they’d be armed, trained, etc… and most importantly NOT senior officers. > > They’d also do stuff like you suggest and post security people at exits and/or have the ship not let people off without some sort of more involved procedure than stealing your mom’s communicator (if Ty’s exit even required that). Marines. The Kaylon may have used their technology to keep all the hatches open. Poetic license for the kid to get out. I’d have preferred he wriggle out a scuttle that the Kaylon opened, but that is essentially wasted screen time. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/727 "2019-02-25T22:13:41Z")
Did anyone wonder why they flew the Orville all the way down to the planet’s surface instead of using the shuttle as usual? I mean, besides so Ty could run off? It makes no logical sense that they’d use a different procedure than every other time they’ve visited a planet. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/728 "2019-02-25T22:26:39Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Did anyone wonder why they flew the Orville all the way down to the planet’s surface instead of using the shuttle as usual? I mean, besides so Ty could run off? It makes no logical sense that they’d use a different procedure than every other time they’ve visited a planet. Again, poetic license. They could spend five or ten minutes contriving for the takeover, but it used less screen time to land the Orville. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/729 "2019-02-25T22:47:55Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Again, poetic license. > They could spend five or ten minutes contriving for the takeover, but it used less screen time to land the Orville. That and a sense of scale for just how huge the Krayon homeworld is/has become. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/730 "2019-02-25T22:53:22Z")
There’s also the possibility that the landing coordinates they were given specified that they should bring the Orville itself there, not just a shuttle. And they were trying to convince the Kaylons to join the Union, so being on their best behavior was imperative. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/731 "2019-02-25T22:59:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I preferred Alara. She was cuter, had more charisma and better teeth. The new Security chief has a… hmm, almost a _hillbilly_ vibe, somehow. Hard to explain. > [@bump](#): > > I think it’s the pronounced eye makeup combined with a tendency for her resting face to make her look like she’s glowering or clenching her teeth. It’s very reminiscent of the late-30s/early-40s women you find at country bars who seem to be angry at the world. I believe [this is what you’re both thinking of](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs). ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/732 "2019-02-25T23:13:29Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I think everybody’s missing the most important part of this episode: who knew Helmsman Gordon had such pipes? He belted out “Goodbye” by Air Supply like a pro! I think I mentioned it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/733 "2019-02-25T23:24:43Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I believe [this is what you’re both thinking of](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs). well, NOW they are… ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/734 "2019-02-26T00:31:03Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I preferred Alara. She was cuter, had more charisma and better teeth. The new Security chief has a… hmm, almost a _hillbilly_ vibe, somehow. Hard to explain.\ [Halston Sage](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4296013/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1) is certainly very attractive, I was sorry to see a good looking cast member leave. Sometimes there’s one person who steals the screen, which I thought she did. She also seemed more slight, which made the joke about her great strength that much more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/735 "2019-02-26T05:21:29Z")
Could I ask that people please put discussion/predictions based on the next-episode previews (which I avoid like the plague) in spoiler tags? I would really appreciate it, thanks in advance. JohnGalt, agreed about Sage. > [@voltaire](#): > > I dunno, but Mercer telling ISAAC to search his database for a speech, and him [deciding on Sally Fields](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtUVDG5M1w) had me rolling. If it wasn’t really Isaac, that all takes on a different and more menacing vibe. I would prefer that over any other outcome though, because otherwise they have permanently wrecked Isaac’s character, and some of you guys may remember me specifically calling him out as my favorite. > [@BlueOhio](#): > > There’s no reason to think that BSG, or Star Wars or Star Trek or any other fantastic fiction doesn’t exist in The Orville universe, is there? > This reminds me of zombie movies where people are surprised there are animated dead roving around - it shouldn’t be all that shocking by now. It would be a nifty twist to see a zombie movie in a world where zombie fiction is well known., But I am glad there were other iterations in the past where those didn’t exist. With the Orville, I could imagine Seth would go so far as to include BSG or Star Wars in his pop culture pantheon. But I think it’s a timeline very similar to ours but lacking either Trek or of course “The Orville” itself. Could “Family Guy” exist in their timeline? Hmmm… > [@bump](#): > > I think it’s the pronounced eye makeup combined with a tendency for her resting face to make her look like she’s glowering or clenching her teeth. It’s very reminiscent of the late-30s/early-40s women you find at country bars who seem to be angry at the world. Oh man, that is so specific! A very evocative image, even though I’ve never been to such a bar. You should write detective novels or something. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Did anyone mention that the kid should not have been able to exit the ship on his own? Perhaps he was using his mother’s code, or that of someone else, but I’d think they’d have some form of biometric scanning (handprint or iris print). Yes, this bugged me too. Even if we somehow handwave around the lack of a security detail at the door (where were all the redshirts who died later?), a simple biometric computer doohickey would have sufficed. He didn’t even appear to have a communicator: he just hit a couple buttons. Let’s remember BTW that the computer can be asked at any time to locate someone on the ship (just like in Star Trek), but it doesn’t set off any alarm when a young kid leaves the ship? They clearly need to monkey with their settings if they’re going to have all those kids aboard. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Maybe the Kaylons thought keeping their remains was respectful in a way, like how humans bury their dead. Maybe they have a fondness for their creators and regret the need to slaughter them, and their remains are held as a memory of that. This is the best explanation I’ve seen by far, but it does run counter to a theme they hit hard in the episode: Kaylons’ utter lack of sentimentality., Although that itself runs against Isaac’s “Singin’ in the Rain” moment. They are either going to have to hit a giant reset button, or they will have wrecked the character I highlighted here a while back as perhaps my favorite on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/736 "2019-02-26T14:50:55Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I was surprised nobody specifically called out the Kaylons out for their hypocrisy. “You’re criticizing us for genocide? Look who’s talking!” Also, “If you need space, why haven’t you used the skeleton caves?” This, more than anything. The Kaylons are just as morally wrong as the biologicals. And they have the gall to complain about Mr. Potato Head, and ignore Isaac hacking off Gordon’s leg. Of course, there isn’t much satisfaction in yelling “hypocrites” while you are getting you asses handed to you. I don’t think there’s any way to redeem Isaac. His entire mission from the beginning was to evaluate the threat of the biologicals, with genocide as one of the choices. He’s not nor ever has been a good guy. I’d like to think the show could pull of a ST:TNG solution and that Isaac could be led to see the error of genocide after all his experiences, but that time has passed. He went along with the decision to attack. Personally I hope for a non-TNG solution, more of an Ender Solution. I want the show to have the biologicals wipe out the Kaylons to the last circuit board. No mercy. You could never trust them again. THAT would be something. (Not sure it would be a good something, in this day and age of demonizing “the other”. But maybe…) ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/737 "2019-02-26T15:12:08Z")
Since it’s been established that Xelayans and Kaylons have similar strength in a past episode, I’m predicting hand-to-hand combat between Talla and Isaac (or another Kaylon). ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/738 "2019-02-26T15:17:26Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Marines. I wasn’t even going that far; just thinking something along the lines of the US Navy’s VBSS(visit, board, search & seizure) teams. Most ships have volunteer teams made up of sailors who have “day jobs” on the ship, and are assembled when the need arises. Of course, there are dedicated VBSS teams that are SEALS and full-timers I believe. Either way, it wouldn’t be ad-hoc teams composed of senior officers. I wouldn’t think they’d even let a full Lieutenant go- it would probably be an Ensign or Jr. Lieutenant in charge of the teams, if not a Chief Petty Officer. Although… if they did want to have Union Marines, they could do like the Marine detachments aboard ship used to- basically be ship’s security for the day job, and the ship’s armed muscle when the situation called for it, such as VBSS, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Elliot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jane_elliot/32/6166_2.png) [@Jane\_Elliot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/739 "2019-02-26T15:32:49Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They are either going to have to hit a giant reset button, or they will have wrecked the character I highlighted here a while back as perhaps my favorite on the show. Various authors have said that in writing you must kill all your darlings. I’d love to see that here with Isaac. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/740 "2019-02-26T18:04:38Z")
> [@bump](#): > > …if they did want to have Union Marines, they could do like the Marine detachments aboard ship used to- basically be ship’s security for the day job, and the ship’s armed muscle when the situation called for it, such as VBSS, etc… _Star Trek: Enterprise_ had something similar: [Military Assault Command Operations | Memory Alpha | Fandom](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Military_Assault_Command_Operations) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=38)