# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/761 "2019-03-01T03:12:10Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why didn’t the blob bring more weapons? If he brought 2 then when questioned he could have said “I only have to hands” for comedic response. I like the props they gave to the original star wars with the x wing fighters. I was waiting for Gordon to say “Red Wing Leader checking in” I laughed out loud when the Krill leader said something to the effect of “try to keep out of our way”. This was Star Wars cliche at it’s finest. A real tribute. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/762 "2019-03-01T03:19:37Z")
Don’t know about anyone else, but for me the closing ep of the 2-parter delivered, even if a bit predictable in its outcome and in who all were involved (wink wink nudge nudge). If nothing else, that was some real eye candy during the last third. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/763 "2019-03-01T03:25:48Z")
The word you’re looking for is “epic”. ---
**Author:** ![Garak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Garak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/764 "2019-03-01T03:28:43Z")
yeah that was epic. They must have spent the whole special effects budget on that space fight, that’s why we had so many episodes of just the doctor dating the robot ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/765 "2019-03-01T05:09:51Z")
Isaac and the Krill saved the day. I was pretty sure it would be one or the other. We got both. So now they have an uneasy alliance with the Krill against the Kaylons. It’s getting interesting. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/766 "2019-03-01T10:29:25Z")
The space battle was amazeballs. And they pulled back from the edge of the precipice in terms of wrecking Isaac’s character. I’m relieved, although I’ll have to try not to think about how callous he was in some of his earlier interactions with his girlfriend (with whom he had just pulled a “Say Anything” move)… > [@davidm](#): > > I’m imagining a scene where Malloy and Lamarr are trying to explain the humor in a “Family Guy” episode to Bortus. Especially if it involves a vignette that requires an understanding of Earth culture from the 21st century or earlier. That would be funny, especially if Seth was like “and then the dog says” and does the perfect voice. But I doubt they would do it before like Season 8. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/767 "2019-03-01T13:37:58Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That would be funny, especially if Seth was like “and then the dog says” and does the perfect voice. But I doubt they would do it before like Season 8. Isaac: “I fail to see the humor in a canine capable of verbal communication.” Gordon: “So does everyone else.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/768 "2019-03-01T19:29:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > This doesn’t bug me that much. The Kaylons had already demonstrated that they could remotely disable the ship’s defensive and propulsion systems anytime they wanted. In their arrogance, they didn’t consider the _Orville_ enough of a threat to bother with a guard. Kaylon is a planet never visited by outsiders, populated by a completely homogenous population of Borg-like robots, and apparently equipped with a robust orbital defensive system. It may simply be that their cities have no system for individual security because there was no need for one, the same way my house doesn’t have anti-kangaroo measures. What is perhaps more baffling is why they all look like Isaac when Isaac has said in the past that those “eyes” of his are purely cosmetic so humans are less offput by him. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/769 "2019-03-01T20:01:35Z")
Don’t tell me tha Isaac lied about something! Since the Kaylons are intent on wiping out _all_ life in the galaxy, they shouldn’t be a big deal–it is already established that there are other civilizations in the area advanced enough to concider the Alliance to be quaint and primitive (such as the zookeepers.) Let them swat the Kaylons like a slightly annoying insect. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/770 "2019-03-01T20:03:57Z")
I wish they’d included the scene in which Gordon Malloy talked the Krill into letting him pilot one of their fighters. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/771 "2019-03-01T20:43:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Kaylon is a planet never visited by outsiders, populated by a completely homogenous population of Borg-like robots, and apparently equipped with a robust orbital defensive system. It may simply be that their cities have no system for individual security because there was no need for one, the same way my house doesn’t have anti-kangaroo measures. > > What is perhaps more baffling is why they all look like Isaac when Isaac has said in the past that those “eyes” of his are purely cosmetic so humans are less offput by him. Well he is v.2, the only one built after the genocide of their makers. His makers, the other Kaylons, may have felt that humans would find blue less threatening while their makers had decided on red. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/772 "2019-03-01T22:12:28Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Well he is v.2, the only one built after the genocide of their makers. His makers, the other Kaylons, may have felt that humans would find blue less threatening while their makers had decided on red. Only one? Prime said that they were filling up the planet, so there presumably lots of post-genocide entities. > [@Folacin](#): > > And it would be a waste of energy to vaporize them. Many were probably herded into the caverns for elimination. For those who weren’t, it is still more energy efficient to throw the bodies onto piles and let bacteria and scavengers do the work. I’m going to claim 1.536 internet points for the above. The Kaylon even kept the Orville’s lights on ‘dim’ to save energy. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/773 "2019-03-01T22:16:57Z")
Here’s a thing, well two really, that bothered me: they’ve shown in the past that Isaac can think/react much faster than humans, such as when he debugged some computer system. So why were the two guards on the shuttle bay so easily dispatched by Bortus? Who actually wasn’t even quick for a human in firing at them. Secondarily, why was he given that task at all? Shouldn’t that have been EXACTLY in the Security Chief’s domain? Add that on top of the fact that their security protocols can’t even stop a grade schooled child from strolling out of the ship… well, color me not at all impressed by her. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/774 "2019-03-01T23:08:06Z")
I was surprised that Isaac said he’d named himself after Sir Isaac Newton. I thought he’d named himself for Isaac Asimov (of the Three Laws of Robotics). Wonder if he was lying to Primary about that? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/775 "2019-03-01T23:14:43Z")
Forget Isaac. I have a different question. Why hadn’t Yaphet been oozing through the engineering tunnels all along, disabling links, shorting out connections, and generally rendering the Orrville pretty much dead in space while the humans tried to think of a way out? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/776 "2019-03-01T23:24:47Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I was surprised that Isaac said he’d named himself after Sir Isaac Newton. I thought he’d named himself for Isaac Asimov (of the Three Laws of Robotics). Wonder if he was lying to Primary about that? Primary would have considered the Three Laws of Robotics to be a very bad thing. > [@kunilou](#): > > Forget Isaac. I have a different question. Why hadn’t Yaphet been oozing through the engineering tunnels all along, disabling links, shorting out connections, and generally rendering the Orrville pretty much dead in space while the humans tried to think of a way out? Because all the humans were hostages to the Kaylon - that’s why Yaphet tried to make his transmission secret. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/777 "2019-03-01T23:31:33Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Only one? Prime said that they were filling up the planet, so there presumably lots of post-genocide entities. … Minimally he is the only one built after the genocide that is on the ship that Prine referred to as “us”. Unless Prime was lying. Also to be precise Prime claimed they were exceeding the information capacity of the planet. Not the physical capacity. It is completely possible that they run many agents without any physical forms whatsoever let alone as humanoid forms. Question- did the Kaylon ships have humanoid form Kaylons on them? Or were all those Kaylons deactivated by Issac? Are the ships sentient Kaylons? The concept was referenced earlier but it makes sense that they would be. Personally I was disappointed with Issac’s arc. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/778 "2019-03-02T01:24:46Z")
I would be surprised if Isaac were the only one built after the genocide. What would be the point of that? > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Since the Kaylons are intent on wiping out _all_ life in the galaxy, they shouldn’t be a big deal–it is already established that there are other civilizations in the area advanced enough to concider the Alliance to be quaint and primitive (such as the zookeepers.) Let them swat the Kaylons like a slightly annoying insect. That’s a good point, although I believe they saw Kaylons as being equal to them, so not quite like an insect. Same goes for the people who come from the high gravity planet. > [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I wish they’d included the scene in which Gordon Malloy talked the Krill into letting him pilot one of their fighters. Haha, no doubt. It’s weird how there did seem to be a lot of stuff that was rushed or done offscreen in the second part; whereas the first part seemed padded. I guess the problem is that they felt they had to have the halfway point of the two-parter be at the cliffhanger point. Maybe they could have had the point where Isaac is asked to kill Ty be the cliffhanger? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/779 "2019-03-02T01:33:52Z")
Well that was definitely the darkest and most intense episode of the series so far, but no recurring characters died and Isaac still get’s to keep his job. :dubious: Yes Isaac did sacrifice himself (he didn’t expect to be reactivated) to save his friends, and there it’s plausible for the Union to offer him some kind of asylum, but still. I’ll never be able to look at him the same way again. Also the Union is kinda proving the Kaylons’ point given how they’re going to treat all those “POWs”. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/780 "2019-03-02T01:54:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I would be surprised if Isaac were the only one built after the genocide. What would be the point of that? … Purpose built. What is the point of having any more humanoid form Kaylons at all? They were created in that specific form, with faux eyes, for the sake of what their makers felt comfortable with. Why make any more in that form at all? Why make any more with any independent physical forms at all? Issac though was purpose built to be a form and function most acceptable to humans. It was a one time need. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=40)