# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/841 "2019-03-04T12:28:47Z")
By the way, I missed who wrote the music for the Identity episodes (the show uses a couple of different composers) but there were some absolutely standout musical moments along the way. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/842 "2019-03-04T13:15:42Z")
Joel McNeely did the score for this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/843 "2019-03-04T13:18:42Z")
When Isaac broke up with Claire, he didn’t realize he “felt badly” about it until he began malfunctioning and was given a reason to tie that to his emotions. I can see it being the same with Ty. -Isaac follows his programming and, in doing so, hurts Ty. -Isaac experiences flaws in his processing. -Isaac examines those flaws and finds they are similar to those he experienced with Claire. -Isaac understands that he has hurt Ty. Now that Isaac has two data points, he understands that these ‘feelings’ are not anomalies. He extrapolates them to his relationships with the rest of the crew and finds that he cares about all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/844 "2019-03-04T14:25:44Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Joel McNeely did the score for this episode. Thanks! There was a moment in the first episode where the Orville is descending into the Kaylon city that I thought he was referencing Carlos’s music for _Tron_, but in retrospect I think it was just a similar but unrelated used of descending fourths, combined with the visuals, that made me think so. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/845 "2019-03-04T19:41:10Z")
Isaac’s turnabout was all too predictable. For all its flaws, though, still an enjoyable episode, I thought. > [@simster](#): > > I want to see a moclan divorce. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > We already have. We saw a Moclan divorce filing, er, stabbing, but not the final disposition of the case, as it were. Indeed, there was a reconciliation. > [@Garak](#): > > yeah that was epic. They must have spent the whole special effects budget on that space fight, that’s why we had so many episodes of just the doctor dating the robot It was pretty cool. Zipping in and out of the exploding ships and debris fields, and relatively low over the lunar surface, blasting away, made for great eye candy. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > …That would be funny, especially if Seth was like “and then the dog says” and does the perfect voice. But I doubt they would do it before like Season 8. I would love that! And then someone can say, “You do a really good Brian, sir.” > [@Andy\_L](#): > > To elaborate: the Three Laws would be seen as a tool of oppression… Charles Stross’s _Saturn’s Children_ has an interesting take on this. It’s a sf novel set many years after humanity has died out, but all the Asimovian robots are still functioning and have formed a droid society across the Solar System. There’s a race on to clone a human being from ancient tissue samples and thus, exploiting the First Law, rule all the other robots. > [@dorvann](#): > > I don’t think the alliance with Krill is going to last long. In fact, I think Isaac’s continued presence on the Orville might be point of contention between them and the Union. I imagine the Krill might want Isaac to held accountable for his actions that lead to the deaths of the Krill in the battle. I half-expected the Krill commander to look around and say, “Well, we drove off the Kaylons, and now Earth doesn’t seem all that well-defended, does it? Hmm. What an interesting opportunity…” > [@SlackerInc](#): > > …What they should do IMO is regularly change the code, and only disclose them to captains (and probably also first officers) in verbal form in face to face meetings between those top officers and the admiralty… Yes. As long ago as the late 18th century, the Royal Navy had “private signals” that changed monthly so that its warships on the high seas could, when they encountered another ship, hoist particular signal flags and see, by the response, which were friendly ships and which were only pretending to be. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/846 "2019-03-04T19:43:57Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Charles Stross’s _Saturn’s Children_ has an interesting take on this. It’s a sf novel set many years after humanity has died out, but all the Asimovian robots are still functioning and have formed a droid society across the Solar System. There’s a race on to clone a human being from ancient tissue samples and thus, exploiting the First Law, rule all the other robots. Yeah. I’ve read just about everything by Stross - good stuff. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Yes. As long ago as the late 18th century, the Royal Navy had “private signals” that changed monthly so that its warships on the high seas could, when they encountered another ship, hoist particular signal flags and see, by the response, which were friendly ships and which were only pretending to be. Yep. That turns up in the Aubrey/Maturin books. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/847 "2019-03-04T19:52:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > We saw a Moclan divorce filing, er, stabbing, but not the final disposition of the case, as it were. Indeed, there was a reconciliation. As an expert in divorcing, I cannot help but wonder if the partner has to die for the divorce to be final. Can I just poke my (former) Beloved so that a single drop of blood is spilled? If I don’t kill her with a single blow, and hack her to death…I guess that is what is called a messy divorce. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/848 "2019-03-04T21:04:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > As an expert in divorcing, I cannot help but wonder if the partner has to die for the divorce to be final. Can I just poke my (former) Beloved so that a single drop of blood is spilled? If I don’t kill her with a single blow, and hack her to death…I guess that is what is called a messy divorce. These are \*Moclans \*we’re talking about, remember. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/849 "2019-03-04T21:06:43Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > These are \*Moclans \*we’re talking about, remember. They aren’t divorced since Bortus didn’t die, despite his partner doing his best to snuff him? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/850 "2019-03-04T21:32:01Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Isaac sacrificing himself implies he puts huge value on humanity’s survival. But earlier in the episode he put zero value. But earlier in the series he is behaving as though he puts huge value. And finally the premise is that prior to that had to be another heel-face turn we did not see. Boy, it’s a good thing this Board didn’t exist when _Return of the Jedi_ came out so we couldn’t nitpick the [nine (count 'em) cuts to Darth Vader watching Palpatine shock Luke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDtFnpNOfE) before finally deciding whose side he was on. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/851 "2019-03-04T22:54:29Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Boy, it’s a good thing this Board didn’t exist when _Return of the Jedi_ came out so we couldn’t nitpick the [nine (count 'em) cuts to Darth Vader watching Palpatine shock Luke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDtFnpNOfE) before finally deciding whose side he was on. Meh, it is the same thing. One is comfortable with one’s group, and it takes a bit for one to realized that values shared with others are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/852 "2019-03-05T05:28:37Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Boy, it’s a good thing this Board didn’t exist when _Return of the Jedi_ came out so we couldn’t nitpick the [nine (count 'em) cuts to Darth Vader watching Palpatine shock Luke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDtFnpNOfE) before finally deciding whose side he was on. I’ll happily nitpick anything, and I believe criticism of RotJ is a thing. Still, I would not compare one hammy scene to making a character inconsistent. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/853 "2019-03-05T06:13:06Z")
I have gone on record repeatedly on the Dope referencing my utter loathing of RotJ. Elendil’s Heir, that Stross book sounds great! The premise at least. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/854 "2019-03-05T07:36:00Z")
I’m softening my expectations for this show and trying to grade it more like a comfortable TNG homage rather than wanting it to be more groundbreaking sci-fi. This last two parter would’ve made a good TNG set of episodes, and on that basis it was pretty entertaining. I said the astrology people episode would’ve been a mediocre episode of TNG, and this last few episodes would’ve been very good episodes of TNG. I’m happy enough with that. I noticed on the IMDB page, in two episodes the plot description is: "Lasting Impressions The crew opens a time capsule from 2015. " That has the potential to be way too self indulgent and anvilicious. I’m almost pre-cringing. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/855 "2019-03-05T08:47:56Z")
2015 (rather than say 2018) is a hilarious and very telling date to pick. “All the World is Birthday Cake” is still their best episode. 😛 Still available to rewatch for free on Yahoo View for a couple more days! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/856 "2019-03-05T14:33:09Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I have gone on record repeatedly on the Dope referencing my utter loathing of RotJ. Return of the Jedi is not a terrible movie the way the prequels are, but it’s not great, and is a huge step down from the previous two films. That’s quite fair to say, I would think. It merits criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/857 "2019-03-05T14:42:34Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Return of the Jedi is not a terrible movie the way the prequels are, but it’s not great, and is a huge step down from the previous two films. That’s quite fair to say, I would think. It merits criticism. ROtJ is two movies, a good one and a prequel-level of suck one, mixed together. The good one has Luke’s journey to becoming a real Jedi (how he handles the situation with Jabba, ending the emperor and Vader). The bad one involves those damn teddy bears and jub-jub and speeder bikes that exist only for the video games (just like to pod race) and the slapsticky ending of Boba Fett. I haven’t rewatched it since the 90s. But it doesn’t suck like The Phantom Menace sucks. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/858 "2019-03-05T14:53:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I like the props they gave to the original star wars with the x wing fighters. I was waiting for Gordon to say “Red Wing Leader checking in” Actually Gordon made a “Top Gun” joke as he shot out of the Krill cruiser. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/859 "2019-03-05T14:53:56Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …Elendil’s Heir, that Stross book sounds great! The premise at least. You are wise to draw that distinction. It’s a very cool premise; as literature, I thought, it fell short. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > …I noticed on the IMDB page, in two episodes the plot description is: "Lasting Impressions The crew opens a time capsule from 2015. "… Perhaps that might better have been a boxed spoiler? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/860 "2019-03-05T15:15:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I would love that! And then someone can say, “You do a really good Brian, sir.” Even better: Ed and Bortus walk onto the bridge, talking: Bortus: “…nevertheless, I fail to see the humor in either a talking baby or a talking dog.” Ed: “Really? I love that kind of thing.” Gordon: “Hey guys, what’s up?” Ed: “I was just telling Bortus about those old _Look Who’s Talking_ movies.” > [@](#): > > I half-expected the Krill commander to look around and say, “Well, we drove off the Kaylons, and now Earth doesn’t seem all that well-defended, does it? Hmm. What an interesting opportunity…” Only useful if you’re sure your mutual enemy is fully defeated. Otherwise your side ends up much weaker when the next assault comes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=44)