# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/881 "2019-03-08T16:57:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was a nitrogen purge, not flood. > > I assumed she was pretty safely imprisoned. I was a little surprised that there was no mention at all of her fate. Presumably she was given to the Krill. There may not be an extradition treaty between the Union and the Krill (and there’s gotta be a better collective name) but there’s no reason not to hand over a criminal, especially since I got the impression her species wasn’t part of the Union. Explain everything, point out that Orin is dead, and get on with the difficult business of peace. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/882 "2019-03-08T18:01:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was a nitrogen purge, not flood. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > Contact with N2 is what makes the blood explode. So they purged the N2 from her cabin. Presumably they added helium or something other noble gas to replace the N2. Whoops; thanks for the correction. Too bad they didn’t follow on with a scene after the N2 had been replaced with helium; her yelling at the crew in a high, squeaky voice would have been a perfect bit of Macfarlanesque humor. > [@](#): > > I’m very annoyed they decided to muddle the difference between plasma as in “the liquid that blood is comprised of” and “a conductive ionized gas”. So, what was in the container was a plasma plasma? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/883 "2019-03-08T18:14:57Z")
I liked the episode, but the whole bit with Talla delaying the Krill diplomats was just dumb. That’s the kind of thing that kills peace treaties to begin with - there’s a reason that diplomatic immunity exists. Intentionally insulting the Krill representatives would pretty much wipe out any possibility of negotiations. And why would they give the Envall to the Krill? The Krill specifically said they didn’t want her, and the Krill would just torture her to death. Just keep her & either return her to her home planet, or imprison her if you think that’s warranted. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/884 "2019-03-08T18:27:45Z")
The Krill didn’t want her because they didn’t know she was directly involved with the attacks. The Union would have to explain why they weren’t handing over the prisoner and that explanation would likely have included her part in it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/885 "2019-03-08T18:32:20Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I liked the episode, but the whole bit with Talla delaying the Krill diplomats was just dumb. That’s the kind of thing that kills peace treaties to begin with - there’s a reason that diplomatic immunity exists. Intentionally insulting the Krill representatives would pretty much wipe out any possibility of negotiations. That part bothered me too. Just put them in the briefing room and have them cool their heels there if you need more time. I think they were going for humor, but I don’t find much to laugh about with urine samples and cavity searches. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/886 "2019-03-08T20:27:08Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Well, this latest one might have been somewhat derivative, but overall I thought it was a tense and enjoyable hour. The big problem with the show is that on the one hand it is trying to be derivative, parody-ing Trek and other SF shows but on the other hand wants to be a fairly serious original show on it’s own, and ends up being neither fish nor fowl. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/887 "2019-03-08T21:22:10Z")
It’s not parody. They’ve added some goofy humor to the formula and dialed back the nobleness of the main characters but that doesn’t make it parody. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/888 "2019-03-08T21:30:45Z")
What puzzled me – did Orrin even know there was that no-hostilities thing going on at the time he exploded those ships? He’d been held in a clearly not-nice prison for 20 years at that point. For an escaping POW to commit crimes against his captors on the way out of their territory… Isn’t that pretty much to be expected? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/889 "2019-03-08T23:11:33Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > What puzzled me – did Orrin even know there was that no-hostilities thing going on at the time he exploded those ships? He’d been held in a clearly not-nice prison for 20 years at that point. For an escaping POW to commit crimes against his captors on the way out of their territory… Isn’t that pretty much to be expected? I believe instructions give to US servicemen during the Vietnam war was to not kill anyone during an escape, for if you were recaptured, they would be very, very pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/890 "2019-03-08T23:18:23Z")
Nice epi. Two small things: now that they have stun guns, there’s no reason to hold a gun on someone dangerous. Once you got the drop,\* stun them.\* And- there are no shockwaves in space. But I didnt see the twist coming for a bit. I knew there was gonna be one, but I wasnt sure. ---
**Author:** ![Allecher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@Allecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allecher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/891 "2019-03-09T03:51:12Z")
There is also no sound in the vacuum of space - a mistake that almost every show/movie makes. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/892 "2019-03-09T04:01:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe instructions give to US servicemen during the Vietnam war was to not kill anyone during an escape, for if you were recaptured, they would be very, very pissed off. I always wondered how Steve McQueen got away with killing that dispatch rider in _ **The Great Escape** _. “ **Cooler?** Nein, _mein Kapitan_. You vill be **shot** , \*\*\*hier \*\*\*und _ **sofort** _!” :mad: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/893 "2019-03-09T04:07:20Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The big problem with the show is that on the one hand it is trying to be derivative, parody-ing Trek and other SF shows but on the other hand wants to be a fairly serious original show on it’s own, and ends up being neither fish nor fowl. I have the same observation. They can’t really do both. It’s hard to take an interstellar war seriously when the combatants are sipping soda and making dumb jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/894 "2019-03-09T04:21:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It was a nitrogen purge, not flood. “Nitrogen purge” is a somewhat ambiguous phrase - it often means “use a lot nitrogen to remove (purge) moisture” but in this case it meant “remove the nitrogen” ([What is Nitrogen Purging & How Does it Work?](https://nigen.com/what-is-nitrogen-purging-procedure-services/)). I think explodey girl will be in a later episode ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/895 "2019-03-09T05:52:57Z")
This was, by far, the most TNG-esque episode of the series. All of the cinematography and cinematic language matched TNG exactly. How they moved the camera, when they did close ups, the dramatic swells as they cut to commercial (even using the same fade to black technique), the locations, the sets, the camera angles. It’s clear that the design and production team features people who grew up on TNG and really loved it, because they’ve lovingly recrafted it precisely. The director must’ve really pushed for it. The story was very TNG too. Big stake negotiations, a mysterious character asking for asylum, a lot of examination of different character’s perspectives, and moralizing. I couldn’t stop thinking about it during the whole episode, how much they recreated it perfectly. I was shakey in my commitment to this show early in the season, but they’ve really hit their stride and now it strikes my pleasant nostalgia more than any nitpicking I feel compelled to do. It’s such an amazing homage while still retaining its own personality. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/896 "2019-03-09T06:00:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That part bothered me too. Just put them in the briefing room and have them cool their heels there if you need more time. I think they were going for humor, but I don’t find much to laugh about with urine samples and cavity searches. Yeah, that was bad. I like the kind of humor of “pee corners” and “See, that’s what we were telling you about”. Or even the amputated leg. But this crossed a line. Overall, I thought this was one of the worst episodes of the series, certainly of the season (I’m fuzzy on last season), along with “Ja’loga” and the porn virus one. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Whoops; thanks for the correction. Too bad they didn’t follow on with a scene after the N2 had been replaced with helium; her yelling at the crew in a high, squeaky voice would have been a perfect bit of Macfarlanesque humor. You’re right: that is a great idea! A missed opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/897 "2019-03-09T06:08:56Z")
Oh, and that instrument that Talla plays is a fantastic sci-fi gadget idea. It made me wish they’d make something like a real version of that. I feel like Talla has really come into her own, and now I prefer her over Alara. Alara’s naivety and underconfidence never really felt right for a chief of security on a ship. We had a couple of episodes about it, and it felt like it was pretty mined out already. In comparison, Talla’s no nonsense cynical confidence is refreshing. She feels much more like someone who could organize the security of a ship. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/898 "2019-03-09T07:14:25Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, and that instrument that Talla plays is a fantastic sci-fi gadget idea. It made me wish they’d make something like a real version of that. What, an electronic keyboard that produces holograms? I wouldn’t hold my breath. (Unlike the STTNG rollable keyboard, [which is now mundane](https://awolfe.home.xs4all.nl/studioroll.htm).) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/899 "2019-03-09T10:44:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This was, by far, the most TNG-esque episode of the series. All of the cinematography and cinematic language matched TNG exactly. Interestingly, though they have had TNG people involved in many aspects of the show, in this case the director was Rebecca Rodriguez, who is Robert Rodriguez’s sister. She’s new to directing, and has no connection with TNG. Good job by her to recreate the language of the show so accurately. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/900 "2019-03-09T16:02:48Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, and that instrument that Talla plays is a fantastic sci-fi gadget idea. It made me wish they’d make something like a real version of that. Well it’s very similar to the holophonor on Futurama. And that probably wasn’t the first such device either. That said, it sounded nice. At one point I thought the girl was some kind of savant and I was looking forward to hearing her bust out a tune. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=46)