# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1221 "2019-04-17T14:12:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is this how jurisdictions work in the future; no matter how far you get from your home planet, its laws still apply to you? If a human is in interstellar space, is he or she still bound by Earth laws? Can members of the Earth military detain or arrest that person at will? Does Moclan jurisdiction extend to literally everywhere there are Moclans? I could see that being the way a Confederation might decide to run things, at least at first. I claim credit for predicting that Moclan females are a lot more common than the Moclans are willing to acknowledge [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20495721&postcount=543](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20495721&postcount=543) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1222 "2019-04-17T14:57:33Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I claim credit for predicting that Moclan females are a lot more common than the Moclans are willing to acknowledge [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20495721&postcount=543](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20495721&postcount=543) Post 543, really? Check out post 477. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1223 "2019-04-17T16:01:20Z")
I’m starting to get a little tired of the male/female schtick. A little less messaging would be nice. How about some really alien aliens, not ones that are designed simply to push some human agenda. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1224 "2019-04-17T17:24:22Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I’m starting to get a little tired of the male/female schtick. A little less messaging would be nice. How about some really alien aliens, not ones that are designed simply to push some human agenda. Well, a big part of sci/fi and fantasy is to basically hold up a mirror to ourselves by taking whatever it is out of the ordinary situation and using the sci-fi/fantasy situation to provide that mirror. The Orville has been doing a lot of that, and so did ST:TNG. I’m with you in that I just like a heavy dose of good old space opera without the other stuff though. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1225 "2019-04-17T17:57:53Z")
When the Moclan ambassador threatened to ally with the Krill, I wondered how the Krill would view this situation. They are a theocracy, and wouldn’t it be interesting if they supported the sanctuary? They might even consider “corrective” surgery to be a sin, since the female Moclans were born that way. I’m wondering how Klyden and Bortus got together in the first place. An arranged marriage, perhaps? (Not all Moclans do this, but maybe some do.) I was surprised that Topa didn’t learn he was born female. I think that shoe will drop in an upcoming episode, though. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1226 "2019-04-17T19:05:34Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I’m wondering how Klyden and Bortus got together in the first place. An arranged marriage, perhaps? I applaud Bortus, for sticking with Klyden despite their problems. It’s easy these days to just punt and move on. But after that last episode, I was rooting for him to “divorce” Klyden. Do they have anything in common at all? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1227 "2019-04-17T19:45:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Do they have anything in common at all? Nicotine. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1228 "2019-04-17T19:58:33Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I’m starting to get a little tired of the male/female schtick. A little less messaging would be nice. How about some really alien aliens, not ones that are designed simply to push some human agenda. Heck, I’d like to see them aggressively subverting sci-fi tropes like the ostensibly oppressed culture _doesn’t_ want to be rescued or the artificial intelligence _doesn’t_ want to exterminate life forms. Heck, one possible solution for this latest episode’s problem occurred to me - just have the Orville claim the planet as an Earth colony and send down a small group of officers to plant a flag and establish a garrison. Then the planet could be under Earth laws rather than Moclan laws and the Moclan females would be protected. I was mildly curious while the rifle-toting females who aimed at the Orville landing party seemed disarmed and helpless when the Moclan males invaded, but I can fanwank that the males used some kind of EMP or remote shutdown command to deactivate the females’ weapons. Playing _Nine to Five_ during a firefight seemed particularly tone-inappropriate. It did not seem like the weapons were set to kill, but was it supposed to be comedic or something? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1229 "2019-04-17T20:09:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Playing _Nine to Five_ during a firefight seemed particularly tone-inappropriate. It did not seem like the weapons were set to kill, but was it supposed to be comedic or something? I have to assume you have not seen Deadpool 2? And on further thought - in context - its appropriate “working hard to make a living” - what the female moclans have to do to survive every day. > [@](#): > > Workin’ 9 to 5, what a way to make a livin’ > Barely gettin’ by, it’s all takin’ and no givin’ > They just use your mind and they never give you credit > It’s enough to drive you crazy if you let it > 9 to 5, for service and devotion > You would think that I would deserve a fat promotion > Want to move ahead but the boss won’t seem to let me > I swear sometimes that man is out to get me! ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1230 "2019-04-17T20:11:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Post 543, really? Check out post 477. 🙂 I bow to your more prescient prescience [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20493341&postcount=477](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20493341&postcount=477) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1231 "2019-04-17T20:12:49Z")
Well, if that man is out to get you with energy weapons, fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1232 "2019-04-17T21:15:24Z")
Back to the show in general. I like the character of Bortus. He’s interesting and in some ways more complex than many of the others. Better realized. Much better than Isaac, who I see they have marginalized since the “we are going to kill you all” little incident. Better than either Xelayan. Waif-fu is just not that interesting, and their society isn’t well thought out. Sure, he’s parallel-Worf, but, Worf was a good character, too. Interesting, too, how Season 2 lost almost all of the McFarland bathroom humor. I’m not sure I miss it, but it was a pretty distinctive feature of Season 1. Has there been anything comparable in the funny in the last several episodes? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1233 "2019-04-17T21:29:37Z")
The nicotine storyline was one of the funniest things the score has done. Lots of humor in the Isaac/Claire romance episode. The humor feels more organic and fits better. I think it’s inaccurate and kind of snobby to call MacFarlane’s style of humor “toilet humor” - if there’s anything he’s overly reliant on it’s pop culture humor. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1234 "2019-04-17T21:31:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think it’s inaccurate and kind of snobby to call MacFarlane’s style of humor “toilet humor” - if there’s anything he’s overly reliant on it’s pop culture humor. Tell that to the giant hallucinogenic spirit journey sheep dong peeing on his character in A Million Ways to Die In The West. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1235 "2019-04-17T22:26:02Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Interesting, too, how Season 2 lost almost all of the McFarland bathroom humor. I’m not sure I miss it, but it was a pretty distinctive feature of Season 1. Has there been anything comparable in the funny in the last several episodes? There was the pee corner, and also delaying the delegation with both a urine sample and implied cavity search. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1236 "2019-04-17T22:40:57Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Tell that to the giant hallucinogenic spirit journey sheep dong peeing on his character in A Million Ways to Die In The West. 🙂 Oh I’m not saying he doesn’t do toilet humor, just that he’s not limited to that. He does plenty of types. But I see a lot of people on the internet that seem to pigeonhole MacFarlane into being a low brow guy. Hrs very versatile. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1237 "2019-04-18T03:20:15Z")
It was a good episode in many ways. The firefight to “Nine to Five” was stupid. I don’t care if it’s a riff on Deadpool, or on anything else for that matter; stupid is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1238 "2019-04-18T05:43:07Z")
Jonathan Frakes said on the official fan podcast that Seth pushed hard to use “9 to 5” in that fight scene, and predicted that it would either work or \*really \*not work. MMV as to which it was (I was fine with it). > [@EllisDee](#): > > There was the pee corner, and also delaying the delegation with both a urine sample and implied cavity search. Yeah. The pee corner, I thought was decent comedy, right in the sweet spot of where the humor works in this show. The delegation thing was really one of the worst moments we’ve seen in the entire run of the show thus far, IMO. :smack: > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was mildly curious while the rifle-toting females who aimed at the Orville landing party seemed disarmed and helpless when the Moclan males invaded, but I can fanwank that the males used some kind of EMP or remote shutdown command to deactivate the females’ weapons. This was the thing that bothered me most about the episode, but the EMP theory doesn’t seem to fit with the fact that they did start firing their own rifles after Kelly and Bortus joined the fight. They should have shown them fighting but pinned down, with a surprise flanking maneuver from Kelly and Bortus throwing them off and turning the tide. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1239 "2019-04-18T09:30:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This was the thing that bothered me most about the episode, but the EMP theory doesn’t seem to fit with the fact that they did start firing their own rifles after Kelly and Bortus joined the fight. They should have shown them fighting but pinned down, with a surprise flanking maneuver from Kelly and Bortus throwing them off and turning the tide. I’d have to rewatch it, but I thought the females were picking up rifles dropped by soldiers who’d been stunned by Kelly or Bortus. Of course, what bugged me more was that Kelly and Bortus stood perfectly still out in the open without cover or concealment like total idiots, but none of the soldiers could hit them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1240 "2019-04-18T09:39:24Z")
I suppose the firefight soundtrack could have been worse. It might’ve been: \*Better keep your hands off my Better keep your hands off my Better keep your hands off my potential new boyfriend \* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=63)