# The Orville Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966 "2018-12-31T06:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1341 "2019-04-26T19:48:25Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > I thought they did a generally good job of it. They did deal with the ramifications of Kelly saying no to Ed in the previous episode. Some thoughts and nitpicks: > > 1. If you go beyond the event horizon in a black hole, _nothing_ gets out. The event horizon is where the escape velocity exceeds the velocity of light. That’s less of a concern when you have the technology to travel faster than light. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1342 "2019-04-26T19:58:42Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > The event horizon is where the escape velocity exceeds the velocity of light. > That’s less of a concern when you have the technology to travel faster than light. Fair enough. > [@DSeid](#): > > As someone who expected that the result of Kelly’s coming back with foreknowledge would be Kaylon supremacy, I’m a bit surprised they played it as Kelly not even having tried to warn the Union about the Kaylon’s plans, Cassandra-like. Did young Kelly know about the Kaylons? Seems like most of that episode was focused on her and her relationship to Ed. They wouldn’t have briefed her, of course, because they intended to wipe her memory. Did the Kaylons appear last episode? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1343 "2019-04-26T20:11:08Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > The event horizon is where the escape velocity exceeds the velocity of light. > That’s less of a concern when you have the technology to travel faster than light. Which, of course, means that the Kaylon not checking inside calls their vaunted intelligence into question. (Also, their ship can handle being in the event horizon of a black hole, but not under a few miles of water?) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1344 "2019-04-26T20:23:51Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Fair enough. > Did young Kelly know about the Kaylons? Seems like most of that episode was focused on her and her relationship to Ed. They wouldn’t have briefed her, of course, because they intended to wipe her memory. > > Did the Kaylons appear last episode? Yes, they hid from the Kaylons in ice. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1345 "2019-04-26T20:25:15Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Right way, wrong way, Janeway. People who dislike Admiral Janeway are found to have issues with their Mothers. :dubious: This forum requires that you wait 60 seconds between posts. Please try again in 1 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1346 "2019-04-26T20:44:34Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Did young Kelly know about the Kaylons? Seems like most of that episode was focused on her and her relationship to Ed. They wouldn’t have briefed her, of course, because they intended to wipe her memory. We saw the end of a discussion where we hear Lt kelly say something to the effect of “and he betrayed his people?” So she knew the details of the Kaylon war. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1347 "2019-04-26T21:22:12Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Did young Kelly know about the Kaylons? Seems like most of that episode was focused on her and her relationship to Ed. They wouldn’t have briefed her, of course, because they intended to wipe her memory. Mercer said, “When in doubt, tell the truth” concerning the relationship, but I don’t know if they told her about the present and the Kaylons. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1348 "2019-04-26T21:43:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > People who dislike Admiral Janeway are found to have issues with their Mothers. :dubious: _My mother? I’ll tell you about my mother …_ ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1349 "2019-04-26T21:46:30Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > 1. They’re going to have a massive case of the bends. I don’t think so. Everyone stayed at 1 atmospheric pressure inside the ship. But the ship would have only been designed for a little over 1 atmosphere since that’s all it would have to contain in space. (Although I can fanwank that the ship was built to be able to land on other, possibly higher ATM planets, and/or structural integrity field generator thingee.) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1350 "2019-04-26T21:51:32Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Did young Kelly know about the Kaylons? Seems like most of that episode was focused on her and her relationship to Ed. They wouldn’t have briefed her, of course, because they intended to wipe her memory. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > We saw the end of a discussion where we hear Lt kelly say something to the effect of “and he betrayed his people?” So she knew the details of the Kaylon war. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Mercer said, “When in doubt, tell the truth” concerning the relationship, but I don’t know if they told her about the present and the Kaylons. Let’s go to the tape. [23:45, when Ed and Lt. Kelly are having dinner.](https://www.fox.com/watch/8a5abf07182564b4233f9dc41820e6a1/) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1351 "2019-04-26T21:52:57Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > I don’t think so. Everyone stayed at 1 atmospheric pressure inside the ship. > > But the ship would have only been designed for a little over 1 atmosphere since that’s all it would have to contain in space. (Although I can fanwank that the ship was built to be able to land on other, possibly higher ATM planets, and/or structural integrity field generator thingee.) Fry: How many atmospheres can the ship withstand? Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Well, it’s a space ship, so I’d say anywhere between zero and one. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1352 "2019-04-26T21:56:31Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Fry: How many atmospheres can the ship withstand? > > Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Well, it’s a space ship, so I’d say anywhere between zero and one. I was trying to remember that! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1353 "2019-04-26T21:57:54Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Let’s go to the tape. [23:45, when Ed and Lt. Kelly are having dinner.](https://www.fox.com/watch/8a5abf07182564b4233f9dc41820e6a1/) Vindicated! [does happy dance} ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1354 "2019-04-26T22:17:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Mercer said, “When in doubt, tell the truth” concerning the relationship, but I don’t know if they told her about the present and the Kaylons. It was a hugely dramatic event that happened a few months earlier - it must be a major topic of conversation bound to come up when a fresh set of ears is around to listen to the stories. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1355 "2019-04-26T22:26:17Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > But the ship would have only been designed for a little over 1 atmosphere since that’s all it would have to contain in space. (Although I can fanwank that the ship was built to be able to land on other, possibly higher ATM planets, and/or structural integrity field generator thingee.) Don’t forget, when Ed took Alara to Xelaya, he was nearly crushed by the planet’s gravity, while the shuttle was protected by its shields/field generator/unobtanium hull/whatever. The shuttle (therefore, the ship itself) obviously can handle more than just Earth conditions, so why shouldn’t it be designed to withstand intense pressure, particularly when real-life Earthlings built a ship _in 1960_ that carried real-life humans to the bottom of the Mariana trench and back. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1356 "2019-04-26T23:38:01Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Don’t forget, when Ed took Alara to Xelaya, he was nearly crushed by the planet’s gravity, while the shuttle was protected by its shields/field generator/unobtanium hull/whatever. The shuttle (therefore, the ship itself) obviously can handle more than just Earth conditions, so why shouldn’t it be designed to withstand intense pressure, particularly when real-life Earthlings built a ship _in 1960_ that carried real-life humans to the bottom of the Mariana trench and back. What kind of stress does FTL put on the hull? What stresses are caused by the event horizon of a black hole? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1357 "2019-04-26T23:41:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What kind of stress does FTL put on the hull? What stresses are caused by the event horizon of a black hole? I don’t know about FTL, but an event horizon itself causes no effect (it’s an important threshold, but doesn’t have any physical effect other than being the point of no return). The tidal effects of a black hole can be very small if the hole is very massive (you read that right - a small black hole has large tidal effects, a large one has small tidal effects). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1358 "2019-04-26T23:41:49Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > when real-life Earthlings built a ship _in 1960_ that carried real-life humans to the bottom of the Mariana trench and back. For fifteen minutes? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1359 "2019-04-27T02:15:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > For fifteen minutes? :dubious: Twenty minutes, but so what? The Orville is set 450 years after the Challenger expedition. Do you think we’ll be able to travel faster than the speed of light, but won’t have made advances in metallurgy and how long you can subject something to overpressurization? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966/1360 "2019-04-27T02:18:18Z")
I’m reminded of this > [@FUTURAMA](#): > > Leela: Depth at 45 hundred feet, 48 hundred, 50 hundred! 5000 feet! > > Farnsworth: Dear Lord, that’s over 150 atmospheres of pressure. > > Fry: How many atmospheres can this ship withstand? > > Farnsworth: Well it’s a spaceship, so I’d say anywhere between zero and one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-2/826966.md?page=69)