# The Orville season 3 (now on Disney+ also) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [February 5, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946 "2022-02-05T03:04:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/261 "2022-07-28T22:46:11Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The Union was willing to team up with the Kaylon in war against the Krill and Moclans to rescue the only weapon holding the Kaylon back? To send several dozen warships, losing a lot of people? Really? Yes, because they had decided that the Union principle of aggression (especially genocide) as a last resort was worth the sacrifice. And I got the impression that if the device was destroyed they could make another one. The issue wasn’t getting it back to use it, it was to prevent another person from using it before the peace process had a chance. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It is one thing not to pull the trigger on the “kill 'em all” device, but if it gets stolen from you and used by a third party, I think you could do the moral gymnastics just fine to convince yourself that wiping out all the killbots wasn’t _your_ fault. I think that was what Admiral Ted Danson (whatever his character’s name was) counted on somewhat. I don’t think he wanted a war between the Krill and Union (or even worse, the Krill-Moclan alliance and Union) but figured once the deed was done, the Union would say, at least the Kaylon are gone. I doubt he anticipated how insistent the Union was to not be party to genocide. Because they absolutely would be; they built the weapon and one of their top leaders provided it to the ones who would use it. If someone built a gun, then handed it to a hitman and said, “Kill that guy”, they’d be a murderer no matter who pulled the trigger. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I kept hoping that the episode would go dark and have the device end up being used successful despite attempts to stop it, everybody Feels Really Bad About It, and they move on. I like how it ended. I found the Burke sacrifice especially impactful given her history. And it made sense; she had something of a death wish since losing the woman she loved. I think that her death was dark enough. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > (And what a waste of a perfectly good Ted Danson.) This I agree with. Since _The Good Place_ I’ve been such a massive fan and kept hoping he’d get a bigger role in this show. Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/262 "2022-07-29T00:04:22Z")
Analogy of WWII and a hot cold war. The USSR became the enemy after WWII, Germany and Japan became allies of the West. The device was the atomic bomb. I’d have killed all the kaylons. They admitted to seeking a fault in the weapon. Consider the loss of lives and ships fighting the Krill and moclans. I agree, a shame to lose Charley. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/263 "2022-07-29T00:20:55Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’d have killed all the kaylons. Yeah, I’d have unplugged the toasters and slept fine afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/264 "2022-07-29T04:42:03Z")
Anyone wanna guess, after this show, which actress Macfarlane’s been dating? Anyone? Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/265 "2022-07-29T12:36:24Z")
Lauren Bacall? ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/266 "2022-07-29T14:27:40Z")
OK, never mind. There was a lot posted online about Seth dating Halston Sage, and she left the show. There’s also been a lot of talk that he’s dating Anne Winters, and now she has left the show. On further Googling, while I found a _ **great deal** _ about him dating both women, I didn’t find sources I truly trusted. Further, if he was dating them, it doesn’t mean their leaving was connected. It does show why dating people you can hire and fire is not the wisest thing to do, and at minimum, how it can look bad. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/267 "2022-07-29T14:34:39Z")
Well said. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/268 "2022-07-29T15:14:14Z")
It is interesting that the two women Mercer has been intimate with tried to kill each other. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/269 "2022-07-29T17:10:43Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > There’s also been a lot of talk that he’s dating Anne Winters, and now she has left the show. Call me naive, but I think Charley’s particular plotline was baked into the story arc before McFarlane may or may not have had a personal relationship with Winters. The character had a good run, and nothing to do with her character in the episode seemed thrown together at the last minute. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/270 "2022-07-29T17:17:32Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > The character had a good run, and nothing to do with her character in the episode seemed thrown together at the last minute. That was my feeling. The character who goes from hating all Kaylon to sacrificing herself to save them is a complete story arc. And it’s pretty clear she was brought in just for this arc. It would have been easy to have any of the existing crew undergo the same story, but then we’d lose an established character. So yeah, I think this was the plan all along. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/271 "2022-07-29T17:28:14Z")
I think the Moclans may just be too dumb to live. They’re facing an existential threat and desperate\* for an alliance. So they send who presumably is their top diplomatic or state leader to Krill, and promptly insult the Chancellor of Krill by insisting that obviously they will lead the alliance because she’s a woman. 🤨 If they’re that arrogant and misogynistic how did they ever manage to join the Union in the first place? \*It’s obvious how pathetically desperate they were given they immediately acquiesced to Telya’s demand for equal partnership. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/272 "2022-07-29T17:31:46Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > If they’re that arrogant and misogynistic how did they ever manage to join the Union in the first place? The Union needed a dumb side kick they could blame all their mistakes on. “Look, these guys are dicks, but we can keep an eye on them if they are members of the Planetary Union. Give them some Smoky the Bear badges and keep them out of trouble.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/273 "2022-07-29T17:41:43Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think the Moclans may just be too dumb to live Perhaps they were cannon fodder, or perhaps, particle beam fodder. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/274 "2022-07-29T21:29:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What do you think of Picard reenacting the truly fictional detective Dixon Hill on the holo deck? It’s just a pastiche on another 20th century trope, so in my view, no different than the others. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/275 "2022-07-29T22:24:39Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think the Moclans may just be too dumb to live. Yet apparently the Union doesn’t have any other members able to produce weapons, has the one important weapon they did produce not highly secured, and dependent on two particular individuals to operate. Is anyone or species on this show smart enough to live? Union culture classical music is apparently limited to a few decades of the 20th century. I’d love to see them spend less on special effects and more on better writers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/276 "2022-07-29T22:37:44Z")
Better writing of the same plot, or entirely different plots? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/277 "2022-07-29T23:07:30Z")
There’s also the fact that they finished filming this season almost a year ago, so what’s going on now between MacFarlane and Winters should have no connection to whether she’s still on the show. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/278 "2022-07-29T23:42:14Z")
Same basic plot but less plodding. Some stupid not included. Less singing, less time with long scenes of space ships. More character and conflict driven. Less Orville as the only crew doing anything important in the universe. Charlie’s character went from “we should have used the device and killed them all except the two good ones, too risky to not” to sacrificing herself saving them (an overload being something Issac or even Prime could have done too I’d think but never mind) without any tension or inner conflict of getting there shown. Our going into the final scenes unsure whether or not she’d pull an Admiral Perry even sacrificing herself to do THAT (heck Perry when asked what do you do now answering Disneyworld would have been funny but better would him answering with knowledge that they could not let him live) would have been more engaging than the long scenes of firefight. Yeah you have an FX budget now. We know. I’m contrasting how a self- sacrifice of a character in SNW surprised and moved me with the move it along already I felt here. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/279 "2022-07-30T01:09:00Z")
> The quality of mercy is not strained. > It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven > Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest: > It blesseth him that gives and him that takes. > Portia, “Merchant of Venice” > We believe the quality of mercy is mightiest in the mightiest. > Victor Garber as Admiral Halsey Yeah, good luck with that. This episode had lots of characters with good or bad intentions. Few met their fate. Malloy _and_ Lamarr get to fly those cool fighters - I only recall the one that Malloy flew in the first episode of this season. One question: When Telaya is talking to the Moclan emissary, she says the Krill are next going to take on "(some planet) and Zelayah. Obviously the Krill were distracted from that campaign yet who were the first target? Charly and her 4th dimension thinKing will return. And nobody could have followed Isaac’s eulogy. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946/280 "2022-07-30T01:32:21Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > And nobody could have followed Isaac’s eulogy Ghost written by Dr. Finn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-season-3-now-on-disney-also/958946.md?page=15)