# The Orville-Seth McFarlane **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 17, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814 "2017-05-17T03:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/401 "2017-09-19T20:43:18Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I seem to remember Guinan having a bottle or two behind the bar in STNG. I’m not sure if it was officially allowed or just winked at. > I also recall the term “synthahol”. I’m not sure if it was intoxicating or not. “Synthahol” in TNG, DS9 and VOY was supposed to be a Ferengi invention that allowed a person to get drunk and then shake off the effects immediately. So, sort of intoxicating with none of the after effects. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/402 "2017-09-19T20:48:31Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Coffee also tastes like crap. > > But granted maybe there’s a genetic thing going on here. I ALSO think alcoholic beverages taste like crap and what’s the point. Right, different tastes. Coffee ranges from just barely consumable caffeine delivery system to OMG that was so tasty. Each person will have different opinions on where a cup of coffee falls on that scale. Do you like cola? Do you like one more than another? Personally I can’t stand any cola at this point but still love me some good root beer. When I liked cola, I drank Coke as Pepsi was too sickly sweet and it was hard to find Jolt or RC. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/403 "2017-09-19T21:19:03Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I seem to remember Guinan having a bottle or two behind the bar in STNG. I’m not sure if it was officially allowed or just winked at. If that wasn’t just a straight up bar, I completely missed that. I thought Ten Forward was totally an after hours officers’ club type deal. The problem with consumables on duty (although I still loved seeing that come out of the replicator) is that unless they’ve changed them somehow in that era (entirely possible), they actually have a stronger and longer-lasting effect than smoking or vaping. Or…so I’ve heard, in reports from places where it’s legal. 🆒 > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Coffee also tastes like crap. Most coffee (like you’d get at a midrange hotel or wherever) tastes like crap. And straight black coffee, even made from high quality beans, is not a taste I enjoy. Nor can I stomach a sickly sweet beverage like most of what people order at Starbucks. But. I don’t know if it was here on MPSIMS or where that I advanced the notion that the best “pure taste” (leaving aside texture–just involving the taste buds only) of any food or drink is three parts good cold-brewed coffee, and two parts whole milk. No sugar or anything else, just that 60/40 mix. God, that’s good. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/404 "2017-09-19T22:01:21Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I was VERY pleased when we didn’t get a full hour of passive-aggressive fun time between the captain’s mother and his ex-O. I recognized Holland Taylor from _ **Two and a Half Men** _, but who played Ed’s father? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/405 "2017-09-19T22:04:13Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I recognized Holland Taylor from _ **Two and a Half Men** _, but who played Ed’s father? 😕 George Bluth Sr. …I mean [Jeffrey Tambor.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001787/) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/406 "2017-09-19T22:41:14Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I recognized Holland Taylor from _ **Two and a Half Men** _, but who played Ed’s father? 😕 I first knew him as the sidekick on _The Larry Sanders Show_ back in the '90s; but you must not follow the Emmys, as he won the Best Actor award year before last for his role on _transparent_. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/407 "2017-09-19T22:51:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I first knew him as the sidekick on _The Larry Sanders Show_ back in the '90s; but you must not follow the Emmys, as he won the Best Actor award year before last for his role on _transparent_. I remember him from the Ropers and her from Bosom Buddies. They’ve both been around forever at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/408 "2017-09-19T23:32:30Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Was smoking on board still allowed in 2001? Ships I served on, I found that it depended largely on whom was in command. And/or whether or not there was an embarked Flag who smoked. Now, smoking in the _workspace_ wasn’t allowed, but most of the ships I served on still had designated smoking areas. > [@Bricker](#): > > Would it surprise you to learn that many people enjoy the taste of different kinds of liquor? It would, but I stipulate that most of the people that I do/have associate(d) with only drink to get fucked up. And since I _don’t_ drink to get fucked up, I don’t really see the point: like, I’ve been offered scotch before, and came away from the experience wondering why anyone would do that to themselves. Then again, I also stipulate that my own palate is very unrefined in that regard, and I’m the kind of philistine who would prefer all alcoholic beverages to taste like Kool-Aid. But, I don’t drink enough for it to matter, anyway: I’m basically a pitcher of sangrìa per year, on average, away from being straight edge. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/409 "2017-09-20T00:00:09Z")
Aha! Tambor I remember from _ **Hill Street Blues** _. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/410 "2017-09-20T00:04:25Z")
Back when I served, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, alcohol was available when off-duty, and smoking was _verboten_ in all but a few designated areas (and never during unrep). Of course, I served on a carrier, so rules may have been different on other vessels. Jet fuel and flame don’t mix. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/411 "2017-09-20T00:08:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Unless all life on their homework is monigendered, they’d be familiar with the concept. Uhm … homeworld. Homework is … something else. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/412 "2017-09-20T00:12:43Z")
**NB:** Correct spelling is “synthehol,” not “synthahol.” **Duh!** :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/413 "2017-09-20T00:20:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Back when I served, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, alcohol was available when off-duty, and smoking was _verboten_ in all but a few designated areas (and never during unrep\*). Of course, I served on a carrier, so rules may have been different on other vessels. Jet fuel and flame don’t mix. Doh…missed the edit window… \*Or during flight ops. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/414 "2017-09-20T00:35:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Back when I served, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, alcohol was available when off-duty, and smoking was _verboten_ in all but a few designated areas (and never during unrep). Of course, I served on a carrier, so rules may have been different on other vessels. Jet fuel and flame don’t mix. I was on the Ranger, so also a carrier. Smoking was allowed in most her things and most of the shops but alcohol.was generally not available except what was snuck onboard or made and the aforementioned beer days for long sea periods. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/415 "2017-09-20T01:23:26Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I was on the Ranger, so also a carrier. Smoking was allowed in most her things and most of the shops but alcohol.was generally not available except what was snuck onboard or made and the aforementioned beer days for long sea periods. LHA-4, USS Nassau here. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/416 "2017-09-20T03:33:02Z")
What OST was it were the crewman was drunk and singing over the intercom…some Irish song…what was he drunk on?? The song was ‘Kathleen’… ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/417 "2017-09-20T03:36:53Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What OST was it were the crewman was drunk and singing over the intercom…some Irish song…what was he drunk on?? The song was ‘Kathleen’… They didn’t have synthehol in the Kirk era - that’s a TNG thing. In Kirk’s age, they drank real alcohol (and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri). ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/418 "2017-09-20T03:49:24Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What OST was it were the crewman was drunk and singing over the intercom…some Irish song…what was he drunk on?? The song was ‘Kathleen’… That was in The Naked Time, so he was drunk on water. For actual booze, look to Scotty getting the Kelvan tanked by emptying out his (extensive) liquor cabinet in By Any Other Name. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/419 "2017-09-20T03:51:44Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > That was in The Naked Time, so he was drunk on water. Oh! Good point. I missed the big picture there (though if the guy who took off his glove to touch something while investigating the mysterious deaths of a base full of people was drunk on booze before the water got to him, that would explain a lot). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/420 "2017-09-20T04:10:40Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Oh! Good point. I missed the big picture there (though if the guy who took off his glove to touch something while investigating the mysterious deaths of a base full of people was drunk on booze before the water got to him, that would explain a lot). He took his glove off to scratch his nose. Still, not the smartest thing to do under those circumstances. ☹ The water there had changed into a complex molecule similar to alcohol under the effects of shifts in that planet’s gravity as it decayed, which was never explained in that episode. I don’t remember right offhand if I heard it on \*\*\*TNG \*\*\*or read it in Blish’s adaptation, which was from an early draft of the script. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814.md?page=22)