# The Orville-Seth McFarlane **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 17, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814 "2017-05-17T03:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1181 "2017-11-04T01:34:02Z")
Was there some reason I missed why the doctor didn’t just leave the apartment when her captor was out retrieving the medication from the shuttle? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1182 "2017-11-04T01:36:37Z")
“Nobody else called it ‘the glory hole’”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1183 "2017-11-04T01:58:14Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > Was there some reason I missed why the doctor didn’t just leave the apartment when her captor was out retrieving the medication from the shuttle? She should have left upon finding her communicator. ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1184 "2017-11-04T02:02:16Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > She should have left upon finding her communicator. That’s what I thought she was going to do. It seems like it would have been a lot smarter than waiting for him to come back and then trying to leave. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1185 "2017-11-04T02:09:57Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > That’s what I thought she was going to do. It seems like it would have been a lot smarter than waiting for him to come back and then trying to leave. She had to speak to her children. This show is all about how brave, determined, and dumb people can be where their children are concerned. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1186 "2017-11-04T03:53:29Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > Was there some reason I missed why the doctor didn’t just leave the apartment when her captor was out retrieving the medication from the shuttle? Because she needed the meds from the shuttle. By that point - she had a) heard about the infected water and affect on the population b) talked to Isaac and the kids and knew that the smaller one was infected. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1187 "2017-11-04T08:27:41Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > There is also a glory hole joke but that will probably pass over her head There are several uses of the term “glory hole” that aren’t sexual. [Glory hole - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_hole) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1188 "2017-11-04T15:14:05Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > She should have left upon finding her communicator. She has minimal (if any) outdoor skills, doesn’t know where she is, and **does** know that her captor has a gun and is very familiar with the area. He easily could have hunted her down and dragged her back with minimal fuss before she found her way to Isaac. And since this isn’t TNG, there was no possibility of talking him into letting her go by gifting higher morality upon him. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1189 "2017-11-04T15:14:46Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > There are several uses of the term “glory hole” that aren’t sexual. [Glory hole - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_hole) That may be true. But Malloy mean the sexual one. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1190 "2017-11-04T15:22:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > She has minimal (if any) outdoor skills, doesn’t know where she is, and **does** know that her captor has a gun and is very familiar with the area. He easily could have hunted her down and dragged her back with minimal fuss before she found her way to Isaac. Yeah, you try not to leave a live enemy behind you. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1191 "2017-11-04T21:06:26Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Yeah, you try not to leave a live enemy behind you. Was he an enemy or an overly enthusiastic Good Samaritan? Given our differing opinions on this episode, I believe an interesting episode could have been made where she is court martialed for the two deaths. Our various views could be argued by the court. ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1192 "2017-11-04T22:49:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Was he an enemy or an overly enthusiastic Good Samaritan? > Given our differing opinions on this episode, I believe an interesting episode could have been made where she is court martialed for the two deaths. Our various views could be argued by the court. I lean toward the “overly enthusiastic Good Samaritan” idea, combined with “lonely guy”. I don’t think he was an enemy really. He probably truly believed her kids were dead or as good as, and figured he could at least keep her safe and have someone to spend time with. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1193 "2017-11-05T02:33:21Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > I lean toward the “overly enthusiastic Good Samaritan” idea, combined with “lonely guy”. I don’t think he was an enemy really. He probably truly believed her kids were dead or as good as, and figured he could at least keep her safe and have someone to spend time with. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1194 "2017-11-05T02:37:08Z")
The character had a lot of potential. Release her after explaining the situation and giving her a weapon; Going with her to rescue her children and being killed, or rescued by the Orville shuttle. Will they begin losing the damn things like Voyager? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1195 "2017-11-05T16:03:25Z")
I have enjoyed the show AND the discussion here as well! I’m a nit-picker so when I don’t pick nits until after the show, that tells me it pulled me in and entertained me. While I agree with many points and see both sides, I was happy with the last few episodes. Previous episode: Not having watched Black Mirror or Community, the voting was new to me, at least. And it made me think about all the questions brought up here! So fun reads! Sure, it was forced that LaMarr was dumb to get in trouble but I didn’t think it seemed out of character. I agree, why not get another fake badge and have him hide? Ah, well. Current episode: I agree that survivalist was putting out creepy vibes with her being locked in her room. Unlike 10 Cloverfield Lane, she was specifically locked to one room, not just the outside door to the bad things being locked. I also saw her as a smaller person having to defend herself against an aggressive and bigger person, and she did what she had to do. As someone else said, when she had a choice, she went for stun. Thanks for the great conversations! ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1196 "2017-11-05T16:32:12Z")
This episode felt really TNG. Switch Isaac with Data and you could have totally been fooled to think it was another Data learns about humanity episode. I did enjoy though. Isaac’s perplexion of human interaction does have a more believable angle. Data did go through Starfleet Academy like everyone else and should not have been as unfamiliar of human culture by the time he got to the Enterprise. Isaac is on the Orville for the express purpose of learning about non-artificial cultures. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1197 "2017-11-05T17:40:21Z")
\>\>\>\>\> My thoughts on last ep: 1. Agree about “killing the captor” thing. I think it’s jarring for a good reason, and for a bad reason. The good reason is the show continues to avoid some of the tropes of this kind of sci-fi. We expect the heroes to always find some non-lethal way out of a situation, unless and until the captor kicks the dog and becomes morally killable. In real life we’re presented with difficult moral questions and it’s good the show presents them too. The bad reason though, is it’s given that character some rough edges that weren’t part of the narrative; later on it’s as though it never happened. I thought at the end when mercer asked for her report she’d express some regret, but no. Overall it’s OK I guess, but I think they need to be careful how they use surprising moments like that in future; they can’t be throwaway things to demonstrate someone is super-mom. 1. My favorite line was Isaac’s: “Good idea; you’re not as intellectually stunted as I thought”. They do that kind of deadpan humor better here than any other sci-fi I can remember. There’s a bit of overlap in that regard between Bortus and Isaac, but I’m cool with getting a double-helping. \>\>\>\>\> And a general thing I was thinking: I like that they didn’t go with transporters in this series. Apart from that technology being implausible, it just makes space seem small. I want it to _mean something_ that they’re physically down on a planet, and without fake difficulty “The storms are creating too much interference for me to get a lock!” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1198 "2017-11-05T17:54:00Z")
Plus transporters are _very_ identified with Star Trek, unlike other technologies (FTL travel, shuttlecraft, etc). ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1199 "2017-11-05T18:03:44Z")
why do they keep referring to Isaac as an artificial lifeform? He’s a mechanical lifeform for sure, but he’s part of a race of mechanical lifeforms, they have some form of reproduction (unknown to us at the moment), they are sentient. . .Kaylons (much like their literary predecessors Cylons) seem to me to be an ACTUAL life form! mc ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814/1200 "2017-11-05T18:19:01Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > why do they keep referring to Isaac as an artificial lifeform? Because he is not an organism, he’s artificial. The first definition of “Artificial” is “to be manufactured, rather than being made through a natural process.” You and I grew; Isaac was made. In fact, it is not precisely clear to me that the body Isaac inhabits is, in fact, Isaac; his personage was capable of existing inside the ship’s computer, away from his body, and he had made reference to the fact that the glowing eyes on his head aren’t actually working eyes, they’re just an cosmetic thing to make humanoids more comfortable around him. So it may be that the person called “Isaac” doesn’t even have a permanent physical form, but is actually a sapient computer program. > [@Uosdwis R. Dewoh](#): > > I did enjoy though. Isaac’s perplexion of human interaction does have a more believable angle. Data did go through Starfleet Academy like everyone else and should not have been as unfamiliar of human culture by the time he got to the Enterprise. Isaac is on the Orville for the express purpose of learning about non-artificial cultures. Actually, it’s even worse than that; by the events of the show Data had been a Starfleet officer for nineteen years, serving aboard two previous ships; indeed, he mentions in one episode that he has been promoted very slowly relative to his service time and accomplishments. So by the time we’re watching him he’s been in Starfleet for 23 years; you’d think he’d have learned a heck of a lot by then. Isaac, conversely, appears to be encountering Union people for the first time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-orville-seth-mcfarlane/786814.md?page=61)