# The Patriot party **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969 "2021-01-20T14:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/41 "2021-01-21T08:19:29Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > Trump has been hanging out a few times with Nigel Farage. Threatening to split the Tory vote is exactly the methodology that Nigel used to get the referendum and from that Brexit. Indeed. But where is Farage now? He’s still trying to create yet another fan club masquerading as a political party, but if there are any political beneficiaries from Brexit, they are where they were always going to be: in the Tory cabinet. Of course, that may be a reflection of how politics goes in this country (somehow, the Tories end up on top). ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/42 "2021-01-21T10:38:51Z")
It may be pertinent to point out here that the Orange Imbecile has never actually succeeded in any substantive endeavor in his life. He lucked into the presidency by the dumb fluke of having hit just the right tone to resonate with a gang of racist morons. His businesses have had a string of bankruptcies, his presidency was the worst in history, and the last we heard from him (before he was permanently banned from Twitter) was that he had definitely won the 2020 election – by a lot – and he had all the evidence to prove it, and would never concede. So I think whatever “plans” he may have for the monumental task of creating a viable new party are pretty much moot since they’ll never get off the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/43 "2021-01-21T11:08:44Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > It would be really good for the USA to have a third party, as that might encourage a fourth party. In the first-past-the-post system in the US, third parties (and beyond) cannot mathematically survive. Such a party might appear, but strategic balloting by voters will make anything past the first two parties non-viable. There’s a [really good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo) that explains this in a clear, albeit somewhat simplified, way. And it’s not just an animal metaphor; decades of mathematical modeling bears it out. Fundamental reform to voting mechanics (ranked choice, single transferable vote, proportional representation, parliamentary system, some combination of these) will be required to break the major-party duopoly. > [@Cardigan](#): > > Trump, of course, does not posses the organizational and administrative know-how This is an understatement. Trump doesn’t have the organizational capability to arrange a single toothpick in a straight line. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/44 "2021-01-21T11:09:53Z")
Would even the most rabid QAnon-ist join a Trump party now? It seems that a lot of them feel they were lied to and betrayed by Trump, because the promised ‘storm’ didn’t happen. Even the Proud Boys have dumped Trump: ### [‘A total failure’: The Proud Boys now mock Trump](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/a-total-failure-the-proud-boys-now-mock-trump/) > The group expected Trump to champion the mob, according to their social media messages. Instead, Trump released a video on Jan. 8 denouncing the violence. > > The disappointment was immediately palpable. One Proud Boys Telegram channel posted: “It really is important for us all to see how much Trump betrayed his supporters this week. We are nationalists 1st and always. Trump was just a man and as it turns out an extraordinarily weak one at the end.” > > Since then, at least five men who identified as members of the Proud Boys have been arrested in connection to the Capitol riots. > > Some Proud Boys became furious that Trump did not appear interested in issuing presidential pardons for their members who were arrested. In a Telegram post Friday, they accused Trump of “instigating” the events at the Capitol, adding that he then “washed his hands of it.” Weirdly: > On Wednesday, the Proud Boys Telegram group welcomed President Joe Biden to office. “At least the incoming administration is honest about their intentions,” the group wrote. 🤣   Not that they support Biden, but they _definitely_ don’t support Trump any more. The Proud Boys are not the only ones. Apparently Trump now has a lot of ex-followers across the whole of the alt-right who feel betrayed, and worse, that he is ‘weak’. There will be no new Trump party. Trump is finished. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/45 "2021-01-21T11:37:35Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > There will be no new Trump party. Trump is finished. But there will still be enough True Believers to milk for a while longer. There will never be a serious political party but, like Bannon’s wall, there will always be suckers willing to spend money on an obvious fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/46 "2021-01-21T11:49:21Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > gives the extremists a chance to be politically expressed, and keep their poison out of the mainstream politics. As recent events have shown, giving extreme views the opportunity to be repressed actually helps make them mainstream, not keep them out of the mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/47 "2021-01-21T11:54:51Z")
True dat. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/48 "2021-01-21T11:57:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But there will still be enough True Believers to milk for a while longer. I don’t believe so. There will always be conspiracy theorists, useful idiots, and the alt-right. They are not going away. But Trump and his hangers-on have lost the ability to profit from them. Trump has lost his ‘bully pulpit’, his social media accounts, his support from the right-wing media, his prominent backers, and the support of a lot of his followers. He’s a has-been now, a failure, a loser. Being a loser is the worst sin for the kind of people who supported him. And he will soon be too busy dealing with his own serious financial and legal problems to do any more rabble rousing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/49 "2021-01-21T11:58:48Z")
I hope you’re right. But if Trump is good at anything, it’s finding new cons and new suckers to use them on. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/50 "2021-01-26T16:23:36Z")
Welp, _somebody_ had created a MAGA Patriot Party. Ostensibly a Florida man who has no connection to His Orangeness. > **[‘MAGA Patriot Party’ files with FEC; Trump team says it’s not affiliated](https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/maga-patriot-party-files-with-fec-trump-team-says-its-not-affiliated/)** > > Filings on Monday with the Federal Election Commission showed a push for a new political party, but brought mystery as to who is behind it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/51 "2021-01-26T16:30:55Z")
With luck this guy is a grifter trying to do the real-word equivalent of domain squatting on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/52 "2021-01-26T16:31:16Z")
Over the past 4 years I’ve heard many right-leaning folks echo the common cry “it’s time for a third party.” Some of them want a more aesthetically pleasing Republican party, while some want it purified in the direction of extreme nationalism (and other unsavory -isms). Of course, they’re ignoring that the effect of our first-past-the-post system is to annihilate third parties unless they can entirely subsume one of the major 2 parties. So in that sense, I don’t think it will “go anywhere” anymore than Trump’s ill-fated USFL league did. But could it siphon off enough voters to hand Democrats durable majorities? I certainly wouldn’t bet against it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/53 "2021-01-26T17:09:40Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > But could it siphon off enough voters to hand Democrats durable majorities? I certainly wouldn’t bet against it. I’ve argued for awhile that the RW media and punditocracy is far more interested in selling merchandise to the rubes and eyeballs to the sponsors than they are in actually governing or advancing right-leaning policies. How that connects to Murdoch, Koch, Adelman and the other malefactors of great wealth is more complex. And far more murky. Given the above, I could see that a 3rd party that didn’t get elected except in hard red areas due to splitting the RW vote everywhere else, but that did attract a highly profitable wild-eyed following might have 10 or 20 years to run. What would upset that applecart sooner or later would be the wild-eyed followers being egged into a no-kidding insurrection, or them eventually becoming bored w the game and going back to watching reality TV. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/54 "2021-01-26T18:04:36Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What would upset that applecart sooner or later would be the wild-eyed followers being egged into a no-kidding insurrection, or them eventually becoming bored w the game and going back to watching reality TV. I’m really hoping we’ve hit that point already (at least for 90% of the dangerous ones). ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/55 "2021-01-26T18:21:28Z")
Very likely. At this point, all he’s done is file a PAC, not create a party, but that does give him fundraising rights under that name. I kind of wish I had thought of it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/56 "2021-01-26T18:24:37Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Trump has been considering forming a third party after he leaves office; the “Patriot Party.” Will anything ever come of this? Trump, of course, does not posses the organizational and administrative know-how, much less the willingness to perform all the hard work required for an endeavor of this magnitude. No doubt he likes the idea, but the question remains would others with greater talent and resources be willing to do this undertaking on his behalf? This is the key question. Trump will never start a new political party. He’s lazy and stupid. What he wants is for other people to do all the work of setting up a new political party and then getting him re-elected. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/57 "2021-01-26T19:07:04Z")
> **[Donald Trump's political team disavows "Patriot Party" groups](https://www.axios.com/2021/01/25/trump-political-team-disavows-patriot-party-groups)** > > A cottage industry of third-party groups is taking root. It seems Trump’s spokespeople are now disavowing the notion that he wants to form his own party because, well, we all know he’s always been a real Team Player for the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/58 "2021-01-26T19:36:19Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Progressives (far-left) > Democracts (center-left) > Republicans (center-right) > Fascists (far-right) I agree with you that this is the American-centric view, rather than the global view. From the global view (IMO) you have: Progressives (center) Democracts (center-right) Republicans (far-right) Trumpists/Patriot Party(reality denying batshit crazy) Progressives in the United States want essentially what most of Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries currently have and like. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/59 "2021-01-26T21:30:27Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > So, the USA really has: > > Progressives (far-left) > Democracts (center-left) > Republicans (center-right) > Fascists (far-right) Interestingly enough, Chuck Todd on Meet The Press just had a piece about how there could be four evenly-split parties if you break down the largest factions within each party. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oylHszMFlgg/maxresdefault.jpg "What if: America's Four Political Parties | Meet The Press | NBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oylHszMFlgg) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969/60 "2021-01-26T22:18:49Z")
The [“MAGA Patriot Party”](https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/maga-patriot-party-files-with-federal-election-commission/) has officially filed in TX w the FCC… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-patriot-party/930969.md?page=4)