# "The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure" and Amazon **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388 "2010-11-12T03:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/21 "2010-11-12T05:50:47Z")
To be clear, the book sounds like a sad, pathetic prooduct of mental illness and self-delusion, but then again, so are most self-help books, and so are all of Glenn Beck’s books. It’s garbage, but it’s garbage that nobody is forcing me to buy. I don’t understand why anybody thinks their life is affected if somebody else buys it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/22 "2010-11-12T05:52:39Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > You’ll have to explain to me how it’s the opposite. I don’t really see where you’re coming from. Because you’re trying to stop the buying and selling of something that has no affect on you. You’re trying to decide for other people what they should be allowed to read? Why do you care if Amazon or anybody else sells that book? How does that hurt you? I would argue that the _Twilight_ books are far more noxious. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/23 "2010-11-12T05:55:11Z")
So you’re against boycotts then, **Dio**? (Looks like another thread is **Dio** -ized, peeps) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/24 "2010-11-12T05:55:30Z")
Sure, if one or two people buy it, no prob. But if it sells a couple million copies, I know at least one person who will be very, very depressed. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/25 "2010-11-12T06:01:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Because you’re trying to stop the buying and selling of something that has no affect on you. You’re trying to decide for other people what they should be allowed to read? I’m not deciding for you. You’re free to buy the book and Amazon is free to sell it. I can try to persuade Amazon not to sell it and for others not to buy from Amazon so long as they sell it but I’m not deciding for anyone. > [@](#): > > Why do you care if Amazon or anybody else sells that book? How does that hurt you? I’m not really sure this is relevant. I don’t like the book is a good enough reason for me. I guess we just don’t see eye to eye on this and I doubt we’ll convince one another. Thank you for clarifying your position and making it easier for me to understand where you’re coming from. I appreciate it. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/26 "2010-11-12T06:04:10Z")
Just out of curiosity, do people think this book is worse than _Mein Kampf_? Are those iin favor of bullying Amazon to stop selling this book that nobody was buying anyway also in favor of agitatiing to stop them from selling _Mein Kampf_? _The Communist Manifesto_? The Bible? Those books have all had a far worse impact on humanity than this ridiculous pervert manual. How about that _Hogg_ thing that one of our other posters is so enamored with? That’s sounds much worse than thing. Do you have trouble sleeping knowing that those things can all be sold on Amazon, and somebody might be, God forbid, buying and reading them? I just don’t understand why anybody cares what books other people want to buy and sell. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/27 "2010-11-12T06:09:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So you’re against boycotts then, **Dio**? It depends on the reason. Some boycotts are good, some are fucking retarded. Remember Bill O’Reilly boycotting French wine because France wouldn’t support the invasion of Iraq? How about fundies boycotting Disney because they give employee benefits to same sex partners? Boycotts are not automatically good just because they _can_ be good, and I’m not saying they should be illegal anyway. I’m just sayng sometimes the reasons for a _particular_ boycott (like boycotting a bookseller for selling books you don’t like) are obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/28 "2010-11-12T06:10:38Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t like the book is a good enough reason for me. This is exactly the problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/29 "2010-11-12T06:24:47Z")
Forget it, folks. What could have been an interesting thread has been turned into another episode of The **Dio** Show. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/30 "2010-11-12T06:28:05Z")
Wow, that’s original. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/31 "2010-11-12T06:38:26Z")
Kind of funny that people on Amazon were complaining about not being able to give the book less than one star in their “reviews,” when it’s a book they didn’t read in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/32 "2010-11-12T06:43:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m just sayng sometimes the reasons for a _particular_ boycott (like boycotting a bookseller for selling books you don’t like) are obnoxious. No, **Diogenes** , you started out saying a bit more than that. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It is not, nor should it be illegal for douchebag offenderati to do that, but I still think they’re douchebags, and I still think it’s an unfortunate (and unnecessary) drag on not just free expression, but free commerce. I certainly agree that there are times that boycotts are done for obnoxious reasons. We simply disagree on what constitutes an obnoxious reason. I am a bit curious. Are boycotts you find reasonable a drag on free expression and commerce or does that only apply to those you find obnoxious? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/33 "2010-11-12T06:44:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is exactly the problem with it. Yeah, I know. Which is why I don’t think it’s possible for us to see eye to eye on the topic. I’m not going to boycott you or anything though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/34 "2010-11-12T06:53:20Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > No, **Diogenes** , you started out saying a bit more than that. > > I certainly agree that there are times that boycotts are done for obnoxious reasons. We simply disagree on what constitutes an obnoxious reason. I am a bit curious. Are boycotts you find reasonable a drag on free expression and commerce or does that only apply to those you find obnoxious? I think that any boycott that done solely to impede the dissemination or expression of any speech or opinion is obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/35 "2010-11-12T06:53:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I just don’t understand why anybody cares what books other people want to buy and sell. They’re just a bunch of Gladys Kravitzs. Maybe the puritan heritage? Actually, America is way ahead of most other cultures in this area (however hard that might be to believe). I’m guessing it overlaps a lot with the authoritarian personality. Time to file a complaint with Amazon over Lolita. It’s well written pedo porn. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/36 "2010-11-12T08:10:18Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > …One story judged by the sales ranks that it then sold 100,000 copies before it was pulled… That absolutely cannot be true. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/37 "2010-11-12T08:36:38Z")
Amazon’s initial response was courageous and correct. Their secondary response was unfortunate but predictable. The third public reaction to censor more books all too depressingly expectable. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/38 "2010-11-12T11:31:25Z")
Apparently the guy now has a bunch of cops milling around his house. Is it now a first amendment issue? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/39 "2010-11-12T12:32:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Wow, that’s original. Step back for a second and look at this, **Dio**. This was the 30th post in this thread. **Nine** of those 30 posts have been made by you. By the time I’ve posted this it looks to be 11 of 38 posts have been made by you, and you only showed up in the thread at the 12th post. Of course it’s not original, but do you wonder why threads get described as **Dio** -ized? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388/40 "2010-11-12T13:02:05Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > That absolutely cannot be true. I hope. Nobody can really figure out what the sales ranks on Amazon mean, and since it only cracked the top 100 of the Kindle store, there are no non-Amazon numbers to compare it too. So yeah, that number could be rubbish. In retrospect, I think 100,000 sales would have put it at #1, easy. I’m guessing it was more like a thousand. I shouldn’t have quoted a stat I knew was suspicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-and-amazon/560388.md?page=3)