# The Penguin was amazing! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [September 20, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503 "2024-09-20T02:17:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/61 "2024-10-28T22:04:22Z")
In the first episode, there’s a guy riding the subway with a bunch of flyers which have a big QR code on them. Pause and scan it. It leads to something interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/62 "2024-10-29T00:07:37Z")
I was actually wondering what that led to. ---
**Author:** ![Scoobysnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Scoobysnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoobysnax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/63 "2024-10-29T18:39:20Z")
I wonder if Oz is working with his girlfriend and is one step ahead of Sofia? Eve gave up his location pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/64 "2024-10-29T19:14:24Z")
I wouldn’t call that quick. They connected on a level woman to woman who have both been through a lot of crap. It was a masterful scene. ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/65 "2024-11-04T06:16:19Z")
Episode 6. I can’t see why Jack and Benjy got trapped in the sewer. They got in by the front door, didn’t lock it or anything. Young Oz climbs a ladder, shuts a door behind him, tells his brothers to have fun getting out. No reason why they can’t retrace their steps and leave. We/ve been hearing references to Oz’s dead brothers, and expecting we’ll eventually find they got mixed up with some bad element and died because of it. But this? Not credible in the least. I don’t always dislike it when a show flashes back and shows us a back story that explains some nagging personality trait, but I could have done without seeing the Penguin as an 11-year-old fledgling, and if he’s wracked with guilt over causing Jack and Benjy’s deaths, it hasn’t made him a noticably different person. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/66 "2024-11-04T07:02:45Z")
There’s no guilt. He did it on purpose. The episode shows that he’s long been on the socio path. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/67 "2024-11-04T07:05:09Z")
Interesting to see that in this universe Michael Keaton has made some of the same movies but definitely not all of the same movies. ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/68 "2024-11-04T07:55:56Z")
He did what on purpose? It was a prank. He didn’t know the sewer would flood, and he had no reason to think his brothers wouldn’t get out the way they got in. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/69 "2024-11-04T08:08:10Z")
I disagree completely. They didn’t show him latching the door shut in the flashback, but the next time they showed the door, there was a bar in place. That door wasn’t opening again. He knew it. He absolutely knew he was killing them. [![](https://i.imgur.com/ZFKOQ0J.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/ZFKOQ0J.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/70 "2024-11-04T10:06:59Z")
He didn’t close the main door. He trapped them in a specific tunnel that had no other way out because it flooded. I don’t think he intended to kill them in the moment. He was just angry and lashing out but when he realized he would have his Mom all to himself he was happy to leave it be. And yeah Oz Cobb is a garbage person who has been selfish and psychopathic his whole life. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/71 "2024-11-04T14:28:20Z")
Yeah, I don’t think his _intention_ was for them to die. But when he realized that would be the outcome, he didn’t care. I think there’s _some_ guilt there in adult Oz, though. They’ve shown how touchy he is about the subject of his brothers. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/72 "2024-11-04T23:25:14Z")
Sophia is the more interesting character. Her realization that she was on path to do to Gia as her father did to her, was saying the same gaslighting lines … much more going on there than in Oz’s sociopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/73 "2024-11-05T00:27:34Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > They didn’t show him latching the door shut in the flashback, but the next time they showed the door, there was a bar in place. That door wasn’t opening again. He knew it. He absolutely knew he was killing them. Well, unless we find out someone else came by later and barred the door (who? Jack’s gangster acquaintance?), there’s no reason to think Oz expected them to die. What, he’s mad because Jack wouldn’t share the 50 bucks he got? Otherwise we get no sense there was any conflict besides normal sibling rivalry. Not from anything we saw on screen at least. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/74 "2024-11-05T02:05:06Z")
> [@Hatchie](#): > > Not from anything we saw on screen at least. Not from anything _ **you** _ saw. What _I_ and many other people saw was young Oz angry and frustrated when his brothers interrupt his mother’s time with him and she plays with them. And an Oz angry and frustrated at his healthy brothers playing in the sewer in ways that he couldn’t. And who locked them in an _overflow tunnel_ during a heavy rain and then at home stared out at the heavy rain several times while smirking, including once watching a jar fill with water with toys floating in it. An Oz already established as killing people who laugh at him. [![](https://i.imgur.com/azl9dta.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/azl9dta.jpeg) Here’s one article discussing the episode: > **[‘The Penguin’ Episode 7—Did Oz Really Mean To Commit Murder?](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/11/04/the-penguin-episode-7-did-oz-really-mean-to-commit-murder/)** > > Episode 7 of HBO’s ‘The Penguin,’ titled ‘Top Hat,’ contains a flashback that reveals a very dark secret of Oz Cobb (Colin Farrell). And the main reddit discussion: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePenguin/comments/1gj3jkr/the\_penguin\_s01e07\_top\_hat\_episode\_discussion/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePenguin/comments/1gj3jkr/the_penguin_s01e07_top_hat_episode_discussion/) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/75 "2024-11-05T02:20:05Z")
> [@Hatchie](#): > > Otherwise we get no sense there was any conflict besides normal sibling rivalry. To me that’s what illustrates his sociopathy. I didn’t see the the scene as his intending to murder them, but he clearly realized they were stuck there as the rain came down, and _certainly_ later realized that he was responsible for their deaths, and was fine with it. He got what he wanted, mom’s attention. It was a parallel to his admission to Sophia that he was okay with what happened to her since he got what he wanted. Then too I don’t think he knew his ratting on her would cause that, but it didn’t bother him that it did. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/76 "2024-11-06T14:40:14Z")
So if you’re not aware, after the credits there’s always a 5-7 minutes featurette where the producer, director, writers, actors, etc discuss the episode that just aired. And they all unequivocally agreed that Oz’s original intention was just to scare and torment his brothers for hiding in a place he couldn’t physically reach - in his mind that was a personal attack on him and his disability. But when he realized they would probably drown and he’d have his mother all to himself as a result he was perfectly happy with that. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/77 "2024-11-06T20:48:43Z")
Oh, sorry. I clicked on this thinking it was a review, and wanted to know what new shi-shi bistro was serving epicurean flightless fowl… ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/78 "2024-11-06T22:09:33Z")
Sorry, that joke was already made in the second post in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/79 "2024-11-07T01:57:44Z")
I saw penguin as Steven Segal at one point and now can’t un-see it. His makeup does seem to vary from show to show. But I am enjoying the show. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/80 "2024-11-11T05:34:15Z")
Quite a finale. A bit rushed but still … sad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=5)