# The Penguin was amazing! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [September 20, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503 "2024-09-20T02:17:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/81 "2024-11-11T09:04:46Z")
Vick: “We’re like family!” Oz: “Yes. Yes, we are…” ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/82 "2024-11-11T11:49:27Z")
I knew it was going to happen from episode one and still hated seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/83 "2024-11-11T15:23:30Z")
My biggest problem was Oz ripping out of his restraints and carrying his mom after she stabbed him. Really? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/84 "2024-11-11T19:22:46Z")
My biggest problem was the constant “we got Oz, what now?”. It happened what? five times total throughout the show? Sofia “had him” like three times in the last two episodes and every time she did the dumbest thing possible. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/85 "2024-11-11T20:15:30Z")
Basically she was a Bond villain. Just kill him already! ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/86 "2024-11-11T21:57:11Z")
But that’s the thing, if the Penguin has a “superpower” it’s thinking on his feet and wriggling out of a jam. He plans but all his plans turn to shit and he turns the lemons into the best lemonade you ever had. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/87 "2024-11-11T22:26:18Z")
That’s because they conveniently keep giving him easy jams to get out of. He killed Sofia’s brother, the only person she gave a shit about. How many times does he have to get away before “find Oz” becomes “shoot Oz on site”? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/88 "2024-11-11T23:48:55Z")
Well now he doesn’t have to worry. He won and the city is his. Now his only problem is a flying mouse. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/89 "2024-11-12T15:35:17Z")
Yes, it drives me crazy when people get stabbed in the gut and then miraculously recover. Same thing happened with Sal Marone when he got shanked by the prison guard and then escaped. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/90 "2024-11-12T16:40:42Z")
Oz has enough padding that the glass might not have penetrated his body cavity (or even muscle). ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/91 "2024-11-13T02:21:38Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > How many times does he have to get away before “find Oz” becomes “shoot Oz on site”? But she doesn’t want to just kill him. She explicitly says (multiple times) that she wants him to feel pain like she feels. A quick death doesn’t do that. Just like at the end when he doesn’t kill her (and she’s made her peace with dying), he HURTS her by sending her back to a place worse than death for her. They are both monsters and are trying not to merely kill, but to inflict pain. Death is a release for both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/92 "2024-11-13T02:49:43Z")
Yeah nearly everyone but Oz gets a miserable ending. Sophia and the Doctor are back at Arkham. Oz’s Mom is a vegetable (which she specifically said she never wanted to happen). Eve is back under Oz’s thumb. And then there’s Vic. Oz got everything he wanted and everyone else’s life is ashes. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/93 "2024-11-13T03:17:01Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Oz got everything he wante I would argue against this. He never got (and never will), his mother’s love and approval. Eve play-acting the part is a poor substitute. He is fundamentally a broken (but still terrifying and powerful) man. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/94 "2024-11-13T13:58:33Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Vick: “We’re like family!” > > Oz: “Yes. Yes, we are…” > [@Quimby](#): > > I knew it was going to happen from episode one and still hated seeing it. I saw it coming from miles away too, but logically and logistically it’s pretty stupid: Penguin would have been royally screwed like 27 different times if Vic hadn’t showed up in the nick of time and saved his ass. Once Penguin gets on the radar of another animal-nicknamed guy who also has family issues, he’ll realize he made a big mistake getting rid of Vic. But poor Vic had to go and say “we-we-we’re family…” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/95 "2024-11-13T16:34:02Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > But she doesn’t want to just kill him. She explicitly says (multiple times) that she wants him to feel pain like she feels. A quick death doesn’t do that. And that is perfectly understandable the first time it happens, but when he keeps getting away over and over you are just being a complete idiot by not killing him immediately. And I don’t think he left her alive to hurt her, he left her alive as the patsy to take the fall for everything. I’m sure hurting her was a nice bonus, but he NEEDED her alive to take the blame for all that happened. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/96 "2024-11-14T12:00:38Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > And that is perfectly understandable the first time it happens, but when he keeps getting away over and over you are just being a complete idiot by not killing him immediately. I’m reminded of a Batman knockoff in the comics who, as you’d maybe expect, makes a big deal about not killing the crooks he catches in the act. He _cripples_ them. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/97 "2024-11-14T14:01:47Z")
Sofia Falcone … If you’ve ever wondered whether or not a quiet, physically non-threatening person can be totally terrifying, wonder no more. She definitely should still be in Arkham Asylum. 😳 ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/98 "2024-11-14T14:26:59Z")
Hey, Sofia _Gigante_, you mean. Don’t call her Sofia Falcone to her face 😉 I actually found her to be a somewhat sympathetic character, at least relatively speaking, within the Penguin universe. She wasn’t a psychopath, she was just seeking justice (or at least revenge). I don’t think she killed anybody who didn’t have it coming (well, the explosion toward the end may have caused collateral damage). She showed mercy to Eve and saved the kid before gassing her family. She even stopped short of cutting the mom’s finger off, despite the fact Penguin refused to admit what he did. Don’t get me wrong-- I sure wouldn’t want to get on the character’s bad side. Cristin Milioti really knocked the performance out of the park. The character had so much more depth than if she had played it cartoonishly and just chewed scenery. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/99 "2024-11-14T14:32:49Z")
> [@solost](#): > > She showed mercy to Eve and saved the kid before gassing her family. Oh, well, in that case … 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/100 "2024-11-14T14:37:39Z")
> [@solost](#): > > She showed mercy to Eve and saved the kid before gassing her family. She also saved Viti from the gas. Well, from the gas, anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=6)