# The Penguin was amazing! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [September 20, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503 "2024-09-20T02:17:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/101 "2024-11-14T14:42:26Z")
Yeah, but that wasn’t out of any sense of mercy, that was just to help her consolidate power. He was no innocent. Once he was no longer useful, and started mansplaining, he was toast. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/102 "2024-11-14T14:44:51Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I don’t think she killed anybody who didn’t have it coming Well there was the kid who was Victor’s partner in trying to steal Oz’s rims … and not sure Magpie quite deserved it. I am sympathetic to how she was made into who she was, but … ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/103 "2024-11-14T14:46:44Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I am sympathetic to how she was made into who she was, but … Well, I’m not about to nominate her for Gotham’s Humanitarian of the Year or anything 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/104 "2024-11-14T15:20:07Z")
It’s Gotham–you have to grade on a curve. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/105 "2024-11-14T15:40:17Z")
Sophia was definitely a monster that was made and not born. You can watch everything that was innocent and good about her die inside during the flashback episode. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/106 "2024-11-14T15:45:54Z")
Yup. Pre Arkham Sofia was a completely different person. She WAS going to take over her father’s empire though. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/107 "2024-12-19T13:28:42Z")
My bet was “what a beautiful sunrise” for Vic to go, but it didn’t work the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/108 "2024-12-20T18:30:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@DigitalC](#): > > > > And that is perfectly understandable the first time it happens, but when he keeps getting away over and over you are just being a complete idiot by not killing him immediately. > > I’m reminded of a Batman knockoff in the comics who, as you’d maybe expect, makes a big deal about not killing the crooks he catches in the act. > > He _cripples_ them. Would you be referring to [Shadowhawk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShadowHawk_(character)?wprov=sfti1), by chance? I really enjoyed that one when I was still a comic reader. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/109 "2024-12-20T19:32:01Z")
That’s the one! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/110 "2024-12-20T19:34:39Z")
I clicked on this thinking someone had dined on penguin. 🫤 Carry on… ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/111 "2024-12-21T05:46:13Z")
I am a low information fan that has been watching this here and there, in combination with reading the posts here. I just watched the last two eps, so please forgive my slow uptake and correct me if I’m misunderstanding: Sofia is back at Arkham because Penguin framed her. She’s clearly insane now, but was she always? Vic died at Penguin’s hand( this kicked my ass) The Falcone and Moroni families are wiped out (though I would assume there are more of them that will come out of the woodwork) I didn’t watch it faithfully but I sure enjoyed it. Rather than pose a bunch of individual questions, I wonder if anyone would be willing to give a short summary as to how or if this fits into accepted Batman canon, i.e. is Sofia an original character? Does she end up with an alternate personality? At the end of the series she gets a letter from Selina Kyle, which I think is Cat Woman(?) It seems like everyone here enjoyed it, as did I, and I wonder how satisfying it was as far as meshing with established lore. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/112 "2024-12-21T05:46:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > clicked on this thinking someone had dined on penguin. 🫤 > Carry on… Penguins is practically chickens ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/113 "2024-12-21T06:08:50Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > s Sofia an original character? No. > **[Sofia Falcone](https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Sofia_Falcone)** > > Sofia Falcone is the daughter of Carmine Falcone and a member of the Falcone Crime Family. She served as one of her father's main enforcers during Batman's investigations. After Carmine was murdered by Two-Face, Sofia took control of the Falcone... ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/114 "2024-12-21T13:18:38Z")
A lot of facets of this story (and the movie it was a spinoff from) came from a comic duology called The Long Halloween and Dark Victory including Sophia. But this version is very different from the comic story. Was Sophia always insane? No. Her first experience in Arkham drove her insane. And yes Selina is Cat Woman. She was a character in the movie this show was based on (The Batman). She is also Sophia’s half sister (same father). This originally was meant to be a mini series to bridge the movie The Batman with its upcoming Sequel. Colin Ferrell has said he didn’t want to do another but now I hear a second season is indeed coming eventually. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/115 "2024-12-21T18:06:53Z")
That is a great resource, thanks. I can see myself spending way too much time there. > [@Quimby](#): > > Colin Ferrell has said he didn’t want to do another but now I hear a second season is indeed coming eventually. I can understand CF not wanting to do another season but I hope he changes his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/116 "2024-12-21T19:12:37Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > Penguins is practically chickens Though greasier, so I’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/117 "2024-12-22T04:54:18Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > I can understand CF not wanting to do another season but I hope he changes his mind. I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t want to do the show, it’s the makeup that is the difficult part. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/118 "2024-12-23T14:36:46Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Colin Ferrell has said he didn’t want to do another but now I hear a second season is indeed coming eventually. From the last episode, where imprisoned Sofia gets the letter from her half-sister Selina Kyle, I thought maybe they’d now do a ‘Catwoman’ series where Sofia and Selina team up. i’d watch that-- I’m enjoying this gritty, realistic Batman universe. It out-grittys and out-reals the Nolan Batman trilogy, the former standard-bearer for gritty, real Batman universes. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/119 "2025-01-12T16:23:41Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I saw it coming from miles away too, but logically and logistically it’s pretty stupid: Penguin would have been royally screwed like 27 different times if Vic hadn’t showed up in the nick of time and saved his ass. Once Penguin gets on the radar of another animal-nicknamed guy who also has family issues, he’ll realize he made a big mistake getting rid of Vic. But poor Vic had to go and say “we-we-we’re family…” Late to the party, finished the show last night. You are right but otoh… When all those second in commands across the city murdered their bosses… I had a niggling thought… “Will Oz see Vic as the threatening second in command now?”. And indeed, that turned out to be how Oz thought… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503/120 "2025-01-12T16:55:25Z")
I don’t think so at all. He saw him as someone he would get or already have an attachment to, like his mother, something he could not have again. Oz had zero thoughts about killing him until Vic said Oz was like family to him, then he thought “shit, he might be right… can’t have that”. Yeah, Vic saved him a buncha times, but having feelings for someone else also cost him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-penguin-was-amazing/1007503.md?page=7)