# The People in the Photographs **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 22, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570 "2005-07-22T01:33:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Torgo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@Torgo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torgo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/1 "2005-07-22T01:33:21Z")
Recently there was an article that tracked down the modern day whereabouts of some of photgrapher [Diane Arbus’](http://www.temple.edu/photo/photographers/arbus/arbus.htm) more familiar subjects, such as [this young fellow](http://www.temple.edu/photo/photographers/arbus/arbusp2.htm) and [this happy duo.](http://www.fotorevista.com.ar/Maestros/Arbus/arbus_twins.jpg) Has anyone tried to track down other famous subjects, such as Cartier-Bresson’s [young wine connossieur,](http://www.artstudiomagazine.com/imagenes/cartier_bresson_01.jpg) or this [puddle jumper?](http://seto.org/photo/cartier-bresson_paris.jpg) Do we know whatever happened to [this woman and her family?](http://www.cnn.com/interactive/style/0011/elton.john/02.dorothea.lange.jpg) Does anyone know who [Robert Frank’s baby and nanny were?](http://www.deutsche-bank-kunst.com/art/images/220/17.jpg) And did they all have to sign releases? Did Cartier-Bresson have to say, “Excuse me sir! Yes, you, the guy who just leaped over that puddle…I just took your photo. Can you sign this please?” I’d be interested in anything of this ilk. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/2 "2005-07-22T02:14:14Z")
A fascinating question. And I wish I had a few answers. I did hear there was some information about Lange’s Migrant Mother. As for the rest…no, even nowadays you don’t have to get a release for taking someones picture in a public place. Particualrly when they are unidendifiable. Would be very strange to recognize yourself in that picture though, wouldn’t it? And I’m dying to know who the kid with the hand grenades grew up to be. Though for Arbus’ twins, I’m betting there’s some information. As that was posed. And I have to wonder about the pictures at the mental hospital…no way would you be able to get away with that now. ---
**Author:** ![Baggins111](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@Baggins111](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baggins111)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/3 "2005-07-22T02:22:17Z")
The one I remember is the photograph of the anonymous young Afghan woman with the piercing green eyes that graced the cover of National Geographic magazine in 1985. They actually tracked her down and found her 17 years later. [“Afghan Girl”](http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0311_020312_sharbat.html) ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/4 "2005-07-22T02:51:52Z")
I think that the little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street in that famous photo has recently been tracked down. I repeat, I _think_ I just saw something on this…but I can’t be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Amaranta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Amaranta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amaranta)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/5 "2005-07-22T03:12:04Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I think that the little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street in that famous photo has recently been tracked down. > > I repeat, I _think_ I just saw something on this…but I can’t be sure. There was a book written about her, called _The Girl in the Picture_, by Denise Chong. It came about three or four years ago, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Dignan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@Dignan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dignan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/6 "2005-07-22T03:37:04Z")
There was a story about covered in an episode of [_This American Life_](http://www.thislife.org). It’s called “From a Distance” and aired 4/19/96 (episode 20). A woman sees this guy’s picture, so she decides to try to find him. I don’t remember exactly what happens. Here’s the write-up from the website: > [@This American Life](#): > > In Search of the Miraculous. Erika Yeomans sees a young man’s photo in an art magazine and decides to track him down. Problem is: he’s Dutch, he’s a performance artist and he’s dead. Supposedly. That doesn’t stop her from creating her own mission to get near him, a mission that turns out to mirror certain things about his life. (The Dutch artist was named Bas Jan Ader.) ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/7 "2005-07-22T06:54:57Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I think that the little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street in that famous photo has recently been tracked down. > > I repeat, I _think_ I just saw something on this…but I can’t be sure. Here’s Wikipedia’s page on her: [Kim Phuc Phan Thi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Phuc_Phan_Thi) and [The Kim Foundation](http://www.kimfoundation.com/en/index.htm) Thank you Baggins111, for the link about the Afghan Girl. I always wondered what happened to her. This is an interesting thread. The link to the fella jumping over the puddle didn’t work for me. I backspaced to get to [that directory](http://seto.org/photo/) and found they didn’t have an index protector on it, so links to all the pictures showed up. I clicked on the cartier-bresson\_paris.jpg, it worked. It seems like the same URL. Confusing. Could there be a setting where people can’t even look at a photo/page? If it’s not to be linked to for security or bandwidth purposes, it sure is silly that they don’t have their index protection on. In case someone doesn’t know what I’m talking about, if a directory doesn’t have an index.html file, and index protection (not sure of the exact name) is off, when you go to that URL, a list of the files in that directory appears. Until they fix it, his site is a prime example. [Index of /photo](http://seto.org/photo/) He has all his photos in a directory called photo, but no index.html file in that directory. I love finding sites like that. It’s nosy, but you can see everything they have in that directory. Sometimes it’s stuff that they don’t want you to see! (/hijack and /Gladys Kravitz) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/96bed5/32.png) [@Cat\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/8 "2005-07-22T08:04:42Z")
The identity of the couple in Robert Doisneua’s 1950 [“Le Baiser de l’Hôtel de Ville”](http://www.essentialart.com/acatalog/Robert_Doisneau_Le_Baiser_de_l_Hotel_de_Ville_Paris.html) is no longer a secret. The lady is Françoise Bornet now a 75 yr old Parisienne; the man her boyfriend of the time Jacques Carteaud, he went on to have a vineyard in the Vaucluse area of France. The photographer met the couple a few days earlier and asked them to pose for him, her quote is (my translation) “The picture was posed but the kiss was real”. In the early nineties a couple from the suburbs of Paris claimed that Doisneau had snapped them without their permission and demanded compensation / damages etc. They lost the case partly because it was at this point that Mm. Bornet came forward, despite the photographer’s support it was ruled that she could not actually be identified in the photo and so was unable to profit from the photo’s fame. (I had vague memories so did a quick google search and found this [article in French](http://www.tqs.ca/pressecanadienne/2005/04/A041206AU.html) from which I’ve taken the information.) ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/9 "2005-07-22T10:51:36Z")
> [@Torgo](#): > > Recently there was an article that tracked down the modern day whereabouts of some of photgrapher [Diane Arbus’](http://www.temple.edu/photo/photographers/arbus/arbus.htm) more familiar subjects, such as [this young fellow](http://www.temple.edu/photo/photographers/arbus/arbusp2.htm) and [this happy duo.](http://www.fotorevista.com.ar/Maestros/Arbus/arbus_twins.jpg) > > Has anyone tried to track down other famous subjects, such as Cartier-Bresson’s [young wine connossieur,](http://www.artstudiomagazine.com/imagenes/cartier_bresson_01.jpg) or this [puddle jumper?](http://seto.org/photo/cartier-bresson_paris.jpg) Do we know whatever happened to [this woman and her family?](http://www.cnn.com/interactive/style/0011/elton.john/02.dorothea.lange.jpg) Does anyone know who [Robert Frank’s baby and nanny were?](http://www.deutsche-bank-kunst.com/art/images/220/17.jpg) And did they all have to sign releases? Did Cartier-Bresson have to say, “Excuse me sir! Yes, you, the guy who just leaped over that puddle…I just took your photo. Can you sign this please?” > > I’d be interested in anything of this ilk. Torgo: Do you have a link to the article on the Arbus subjects? I know the twins are in NJ - they’ve covered them extensively in the local papers recently…but I’d love to know about the grenade kid. lol The picture that’s always mesmerized and horrified me was this one of the Damm Family - [http://citypaper.net/articles/060100/pics/big/cmld.damm.jpg.shtml](http://citypaper.net/articles/060100/pics/big/cmld.damm.jpg.shtml) I know the family received donations after the photo series appeared, but there were allegations of child abuse by the “father” figure and I always hoped that beautiful sad-eyed girl was able to escape that hellhole. VCNJ~ ---
**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/10 "2005-07-22T14:10:24Z")
> [@Cat Jones](#): > > The identity of the couple in Robert Doisneua’s 1950 [“Le Baiser de l’Hôtel de Ville”](http://www.essentialart.com/acatalog/Robert_Doisneau_Le_Baiser_de_l_Hotel_de_Ville_Paris.html) is no longer a secret. Some years ago, before the couple themselves were identified, I read an article about the bloke in the background with the beret. Despite iconically looking the part of a Parisian passerby, he was actually a visiting Irishman. ---
**Author:** ![Torgo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@Torgo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torgo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/11 "2005-07-22T19:53:22Z")
> [@Veuve\_ClicquotNJ](#): > > Torgo: > > Do you have a link to the article on the Arbus subjects? > > VCNJ~ VCNJ: I read it in the Star-Tribune a few weeks ago but have been unable to find it online anywhere. The “grenade kid” is actually a nice, normal, well-adjusted fellow living in Seattle I think. His only regret was the ribbing he got in college when he would show people the photo. [Here is a better link](http://www.womeninphotography.org/decisivemoments/images/puddle.jpg) for Cartier-Bresson’s “puddle picture”, _Behind the Gare Saint-Lazare_ (1932). ---
**Author:** ![Torgo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@Torgo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torgo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/12 "2005-07-22T20:12:35Z")
Found it! [Here’s the original Arbus article](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051102052.html) from the Washington Post. Interesting to note [at least one of Arbus’ subjects](http://daddytypes.com/archive/2005/03/14/other_peoples_baby_photos_anderson_cooper_by_diane_arbus_.html) is on TV everyday. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/13 "2005-07-22T20:19:55Z")
I really wonder where the baby with nanny picture was taken, and when. It easily could have been me and Mary in Montgomery, AL about 1962 or so. ---
**Author:** ![AveDementia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@AveDementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AveDementia)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/14 "2005-07-23T00:51:29Z")
[The V-J Day Kiss](http://www.life.com/Life/special/kiss01.html) is the first one I thought of. Apparently its a little hard to prove who it was, and there are several folks who claim to be them. Interesting article. ---
**Author:** ![Waterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b2d939/32.png) [@Waterman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waterman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-people-in-the-photographs/313570/15 "2005-07-23T05:46:34Z")
> [@Cat Jones](#): > > The identity of the couple in Robert Doisneua’s 1950 [“Le Baiser de l’Hôtel de Ville”](http://www.essentialart.com/acatalog/Robert_Doisneau_Le_Baiser_de_l_Hotel_de_Ville_Paris.html) is no longer a secret. The lady is Françoise Bornet now a 75 yr old Parisienne; the man her boyfriend of the time Jacques Carteaud, he went on to have a vineyard in the Vaucluse area of France. The photographer met the couple a few days earlier and asked them to pose for him, her quote is (my translation) “The picture was posed but the kiss was real”. > > In the early nineties a couple from the suburbs of Paris claimed that Doisneau had snapped them without their permission and demanded compensation / damages etc. They lost the case partly because it was at this point that Mm. Bornet came forward, despite the photographer’s support it was ruled that she could not actually be identified in the photo and so was unable to profit from the photo’s fame. > > (I had vague memories so did a quick google search and found this [article in French](http://www.tqs.ca/pressecanadienne/2005/04/A041206AU.html) from which I’ve taken the information.) What is really fascinating about Doisneau’s photo is that all that Ms. Bornet supposedly received as compensation for her picture was a signed copy of the original print from Doisneau. She had sued Doisneau and his agency for $16,500 + a percentage of the royalties but lost her suit. She never received any royalties or anything but just recently she put the print up for sale and received $202,000. This is reported to be the highest price ever paid for a 20th century photograph and it exceeded by a factor of ten the auctioners estimate of the selling price.