# The Perfect Rule **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143 "2004-03-02T18:41:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bookbuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9bd4f/32.png) [@bookbuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bookbuster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2004, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/21 "2004-03-07T08:40:13Z")
It seems that during those times when we **affirm out loud** that we exist we are truely have no intent other than meaningless biological survival, and thus our lives at those moments in time are completly meaningless. For instance, we feel a pang of hunger in our stomach, we could sum up our thought process as, “I exist therefore I need food.” It is at times like these when we feel the most subjective, time seems to pass more slowly, and life itself **is** meaningless. But there are times when we are far between our biological needs, and we acheive a higher consciousness. We can listen to our favorite songs and be “transported.” Time stands still literaly, we are not subjective beings. Our thought process couldn’t really be summed up, but if there is a thought process at all, I think it could only be, “I do not exist.” (Since you are not being subjective you wouldn’t actually bother to say this in your head, and if you did you wouldn’t be enjoying your rock’n’roll music by now anyway). So it is like we are trapped inside of this stupid metabolic machine that exists in space and time. We can escape the machine (and the meaningless of life itself) when we stop our conciousness of it. Maybe when we “escape” the machine we are experiencing being a **part** of the bigger system of the universe itself (and not concerning ourselves with our own puny meaningless system that is our human body). Don’t a lot of the things we intend to do come from our biological existence though? I intend to eat something, and then screw your sister, and then I will go to bed. Aren’t we slaving to our meaningless existence by doing all these acts? Maybe you agree and say that when I eat, I am confirming my life/death eventuality, I am consciously admitting imminent death by allowing myself to delay it? I intend to write more later but I gotta go to bed now. Why are we sometimes aware of our existence more when strangers are around? Why is is easier to pass time by yourself or with a small group of friends than it is to pass time with a few people you just met? Why does time stop when we are in the act of fulfilling a biological need, like screwing or eating? ---
**Author:** ![olanv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@olanv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/olanv)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/22 "2004-03-08T20:53:00Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > One of the ways in which an ethical system is judged is how it would work out in the real, imperfect world. Your system wouldn’t do very well because, frankly, a lot of people wouldn’t obey it. And what’s the punishment for not obeying it? Well, since you replaced all other laws with this one, there’s no punishment at all for not obeying it. > > An ethical system that assumes everyone will abide by the system is easy to come up with. One that assumes some people won’t abide by it, and that has fair, merciful, practical ways to deal with these scofflaws, is far more difficult to construct. > > Daniel The benefit is that it allows any given person the opportunity to work on a life that consistently mirrors their belief for doing anything in life – it also allows people the only opportunity for survival by virtue of their own control and intent should they so choose. How do you even know whether or not your species in on the right track, universally speaking, with regards to even selecting the type of cognition capable of bringing about these concrete options of life and death consent when those cognitions are never being tested under the pressure that selects them? You have a bunch of people running around calling survival and thriving a matter of happiness and wealth that circumvents intent… and then they die. The problem we need to solve is about access and options… declaring that wealth is evidenced by a hinderance of access and options (aka. I have more than they do) is already assuring that the species is selecting the very thing that will destroy them. This is the very type of truth that a suicide contract exposes immediately… if you do not do something to assure your survival, you will be de-selected, as you already were anyways, as you already always were. Because, technically, you aren’t even aware that you exist if you are selected… existence is just some sort of linguistic token, your knowledge and application some rudimentary algorithms using linguistic tokens. The individual and the human species must move through this pressure in order to survive and exist, they must become accountable to their beliefs of the purpose for accepting what they have vs. what they actually have… so that they aren’t deluded. One way to “get people to do it” is to just dump a bunch of cyanide pills in all the 7/11’s for 50 cents each… The moment you decrease the suicidal tension line, you also decrease the social stratification line, and survival begins to select that which consistently defines it — people who parrot linguistic tokens are de-selected. ---
**Author:** ![owlofcreamcheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@owlofcreamcheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlofcreamcheese)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/23 "2004-03-09T06:47:36Z")
man… your a scary scary person… please don’t grow up and murder us. ---
**Author:** ![olanv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@olanv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/olanv)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/24 "2004-03-09T12:33:54Z")
> [@owlofcreamcheese](#): > > man… your a scary scary person… please don’t grow up and murder us. Owl, It’s not me you have to worry about, I’m not going to select others with them. It’s cognitions that parrot linguistic tokens that select each other. If you’re worried, you’re only worried about your own kind. People who parrot linguistic tokens talk about sacrifice and work and survival and war in terms of red herrings – any action not prefaced with such a contract is not accountable to definition that is demonstrated. You’re not surviving anyways. Not only that, you’re reproducing people who will be bound by the same cognition that dooms you – which to any intentional being is murder. It makes the act of pregnancy premeditated murder. I don’t assume that I’ll necessarily survive the fallout of unintentional beings, but I understand that this is the ONLY way that beings will ever bring their life and death consent into their purveiw. It’s not about selecting a certain type of human moreso than it’s about selecting a certain type of cognition. It places selective pressure on each individual and the species to be aware that they exist so that they can abstract the methods to secure their ability to not be de-selected such that their intent is being circumvented. Intentional beings relish the challenge. People who parrot linguistic tokens tremble in fear. ---
**Author:** ![gentle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eb8c5e/32.png) [@gentle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gentle)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/25 "2004-03-09T13:12:08Z")
> [@olanv](#): > > It’s cognitions that parrot linguistic tokens that select each other. All knowledge of the human word animal, is insignificant, when his fictitious word world is compared to [Nature’s own Dynamic & Harmonic Time Cube’s Creation Principle](http://www.timecube.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143/26 "2004-03-09T13:23:39Z")
**AutoHink** has this to say on the matter: > [@](#): > > extracting meaning from irrationality following a recurring rationale under the methodical bandwidth while negating abstracts, perverts many stages of existential selection, thus enabling irrationality as a sentient symbol in an irreversable system by calculating the collective pipeline of encrypted rationale. > Moreover, working backwards in stages from a structured frequency based on the associative stage, whilst negating recursion in an external rationale of implied methodical supression, the associative thought-form perpetuates our mechanism of external abuse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-perfect-rule/232143.md?page=1)