# The pitting of a bigoted Jew **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771 "2009-02-28T06:33:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/41 "2009-03-01T17:25:51Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I dunno, the post that pissed me off (in a very very mild way … I just can’t get that outraged about any of this) wasn’t the one linked in the OP, it was **Shinna** ’s subsequent response to questions about that post: > > So to me it seems that it’s not just that she wants Jews to be more observant – she “decries the lack of Judiaism,” i.e. the existence of non-Jews. She doesn’t want the goyishes or their nasty pork anywhere in the whole freakin’ country. To me, a Jew BTW, that seems extraordinarily fucked up. You are I think misunderstanding her. I read “lack of Judaism” as meaning Jews already there are being “secular”, not the presence of non-Jews. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/42 "2009-03-01T17:44:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > A. Not outraged, irritated. > B. The thing is, over there they eat during job interviews. It’s just what’s done. > > Also, I was pretty sure that **Shinna** is female. Am I incorrect? Irritated? Beginning with “I can’t believe I have to” indicates more than irritation to me. Obviously, YMdoesV. The horror if **Shinna** ever has to travel or interact with the rest of the world that doesn’t keep kosher and doesn’t care one bit about it. I also noted the tone re “it’s unfortunate that more Jews are as observant as I am”. That kind of attitude makes me tired. The thread for me was a :rolleyes:. Either **Shinna** needs to call back and explain and ask to have the venue changed or s/he needs to suck it up and drink the Diet Coke. S/he should have said something at the time the appt was made–not say yes and then whine about it online. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/43 "2009-03-01T17:45:15Z")
What’s wrong with Jews not being kosher? Why is that “unfortunate?” ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/44 "2009-03-01T19:37:20Z")
I was withholding judgment until I read [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10890564&postcount=93), in which (if I read it correctly) \*\*Shinna \*\*claims to be a West Bank settler (although of course like a good settler-bot she calls it ‘Samaria’). This puts her views on the true nature of Israel, and the ‘rights’ of non-Jewish indigenous people of the region, in a different light. I have no respect for settlers whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/45 "2009-03-01T19:40:29Z")
Does **Shinna Minna Ma** know she’s being Pitted here? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/46 "2009-03-01T20:00:19Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Does **Shinna Minna Ma** know she’s being Pitted here? I don’t know-did anyone let her know? I found [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10890410&postcount=91) rather :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/47 "2009-03-01T21:33:49Z")
I didn’t give a shit about him/her until I read that s/he’s a settler. As far as I’m concerned, s/he can go fuck him/herself. Yes, I’ve visited a settlement, yes, I’ve met settlers I thought were perfectly nice on a personal level, and yes, I think they’re participating in a disgusting violation of human rights. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/48 "2009-03-01T21:58:51Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I think this prat deserves to be pitted. In a thread talking about going to a non kosher diner for an interview, [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508197) Shinna Minna Ma commented . > > This is, to me just blantantly bigoted, objectionable bitchy and unwarranted. > > If I came into a thread proclaiming something along the lines of “Kosher is stupid adn should not be allowed in America” I would be flame grilled, and rightly. > > And for thinking that a ethnically Jewish state should also observe Judaism is even worse - so what now every ethnic chinese must know kung fo and eat eggs foo yong? > > Shinna Minna Ma, you are a prat, a bigot and deserve NOT to get the job you asswipe. > > This sort of behaviour / attitude perpetuates hatred and feeds more fuel to the fire in the Palestine / Israel feuds. You are the fornicating bigot. That was a slanderous title and a misrepresentation of the nature of **Shinna Minna Ma** s lament. Anything to label a Jew as a bigot heh. Since when is expressing a wish that Walmart didn’t establish themselves in your town being a bigot. Since when is expressing a wish that your restaurants limited themselves to premium fare being a bigot. Since when is lamenting a cultural practice amongst your own ethnic group being a bigot. With all the bullshit going on over there, you’ve got to focus on this ? Better examine your motivation buddy and take that plank out of your eye. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/49 "2009-03-01T22:35:52Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > You are I think misunderstanding her. I read “lack of Judaism” as meaning Jews already there are being “secular”, not the presence of non-Jews. Yeah, um, no. Your reading is very generous in spirit, but it takes a bit of manipulating. I think it’s far more likely that she meant that “lack of Judaism” as in exactly what it sounds like: lack of Jews. Especially in light of the fact that she’s a settler. And honestly, I’d find it just as offensive (except now it’d be _personally_ offensive to me) if she equated the existence of ‘secular’ or even non-Orthodox Jews in Israel as “lack of Judaism.” Fuck using that kind of yardstick to dismiss the rest of us. I have to disagree with you, **The Flying Dutchman**. > [@](#): > > Since when is expressing a wish that Walmart didn’t establish themselves in your town being a bigot. > > Since when is expressing a wish that your restaurants limited themselves to premium fare being a bigot. That isn’t what she’s doing. She’s expressing a wish that _non-Jews_ didn’t establish themselves in her town. And apparently she’s not just expressing that wish, she’s a fucking West Bank settler, thereby directly instigating/contributing to the violence and unrest. > [@](#): > > Since when is lamenting a cultural practice amongst your own ethnic group being a bigot. News to me that you can’t have intra-ethnic bigotry. You don’t think light-skinned blacks who look down on dark-skinned blacks are bigots? Or how about whites who are consider other whites who marry outside their race “race traitors”? I’m not saying this chick is on the same level as the latter, but her disappointment and dismissive attitude toward those of us who don’t keep kosher is pretty condescending and narrow-minded. I strongly disagree that the OP was doing “anything” to label a Jew as a bigot. He found _this_ particular Jew bigotted, and even though I think he took the wrong post as an example, he pegged his pittee correctly. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/50 "2009-03-01T22:43:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What’s wrong with Jews not being kosher? Why is that “unfortunate?” To a highly observant Jew that makes us non-Kosher ones apostates. You, you’re fine not eating Kosher, a righteous gentile only need follow the seven [Noachide Laws.](http://www.aish.com/wallcam/7_noachide_laws.asp) But another Jew … we are an abomination for eating pork. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/51 "2009-03-01T22:58:10Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Well who gives a fuck whether either Muslems or jews want it served, if you want to follow the dictates of your religion and don’t wnat to eat then fine, that is your loss. To say that it is unfortunate that some restaurants have the pure audacity to serve pork or not remain kosher / halal is to force / push your fucking dictates to me. Which is what I do take exception to. _Saying something is unfortunate_ equates to _force_? You’re bit of a delicate little flower. > [@](#): > > To TELL ANY damn fucking country that they should be run, business established or fucking fuckity fuck anything else be done in line with a fucking religion is damn bullshit in the worst extreme. Yeah, but _nothing extreme happened here_. Nobody TOLD anyone to do anything. > [@](#): > > And it is this self same arrogance that I am very sure has perpetuated the fucking occupation on BOTH sides for so damn fucking long… OOOO this is our promised country… oooo this place has religious significance. If that could be dialed back a solution would be so much easier A thicker skin wouldn’t hurt, either. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/52 "2009-03-02T00:17:14Z")
To be a bigot you don’t need to chase your neighbors out with burning crosses. It’s enough to say that it is “unfortunate” that they are in your neighborhood. Let’s try this… “Unfortunately, statues of Ganesh are not hard to find.” “Unfortunately, there are many kosher restaurants in the area.” “Unfortunately, there are shops that open on Sundays.” “Unfortunately, you can buy clothing that exposes women’s faces.” Sounds kind of bigoted, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/53 "2009-03-02T00:20:54Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Yeah, um, no. Your reading is very generous in spirit, but it takes a bit of manipulating. I think it’s far more likely that she meant that “lack of Judaism” as in exactly what it sounds like: lack of Jews. Especially in light of the fact that she’s a settler. > > And honestly, I’d find it just as offensive (except now it’d be _personally_ offensive to me) if she equated the existence of ‘secular’ or even non-Orthodox Jews in Israel as “lack of Judaism.” Fuck using that kind of yardstick to dismiss the rest of us. But that’s an interpretation that doesn’t actually accord with Jewish practice or the situation in Israel. Jews don’t give a crap what non-Jews eat (as long as it conforms with Noahide behaviour - i.e, no gobbling down animals while they are still alive). Non-Jews need not keep kosher, and the vast majority of the Palestinian “enemies” in the region _do_ in fact more or less keep Kosher - as Halal is more or less the same: Muslims do not eat pork, either. I think you have to be pretty thin-skinned to find some religious person lamenting the decrease in ritual observance as “personally offensive”. Myself, I’m off to have a bacon sandwich. 😃 > [@](#): > > I have to disagree with you, **The Flying Dutchman**. > > That isn’t what she’s doing. She’s expressing a wish that _non-Jews_ didn’t establish themselves in her town. And apparently she’s not just expressing that wish, she’s a fucking West Bank settler, thereby directly instigating/contributing to the violence and unrest. > > News to me that you can’t have intra-ethnic bigotry. You don’t think light-skinned blacks who look down on dark-skinned blacks are bigots? Or how about whites who are consider other whites who marry outside their race “race traitors”? I’m not saying this chick is on the same level as the latter, but her disappointment and dismissive attitude toward those of us who don’t keep kosher is pretty condescending and narrow-minded. > > I strongly disagree that the OP was doing “anything” to label a Jew as a bigot. He found _this_ particular Jew bigotted, and even though I think he took the wrong post as an example, he pegged his pittee correctly. Obviously, I disagree. I think this pitting is rather silly. She may indeed want non-Jews to keep out, but nothing she has said so far indicates this. ---
**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/54 "2009-03-02T00:54:32Z")
> [@Vox\_Imperatoris](#): > > Oh, obviously, and I don’t have any problem with that besides it being a bit silly. (Although I have never tried either horse or dog, so they might be absolutely awful to eat, for all I know.) I’ve never had dog meat, so I cannot tell you if it is good or not. I have, however, had horse meat many, many times and I absolutely love it. It’s a really great meat to eat raw and that’s usually how I have it. Raw, sliced thin, and served with onions, yum yum yum. It’s totally worth the premium price. As to whether or not it is illegal to eat in the US: I can say that, like damn-near-everything in the US, it varies from state to state. Some states ban the consumption outright while elsewhere it is not exactly illegal to eat horse but it is illegal to slaughter it for human consumption (I’m at least _pretty_ sure this particular law is federal). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/55 "2009-03-02T01:30:12Z")
Here’s the crux of the issue: The pittee believes that Jews who don’t adhere to her personal standards for Judaism are responsible for the “lack of Judaism” in Israel, which she finds to be “unfortunate.” She’s decided on behalf of all the Jews what it means to be Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/56 "2009-03-02T01:32:30Z")
> [@Duck\_Quack\_s\_Echo](#): > > Whether you want to treat Judaism as a religion or as an ethnicity is immaterial. What do Jews want you to treat them as? Are Jews more likely to identify as a religion or as an ethnic group? In addition, what does Israel want to identify as, a religion or an ethnicity? How about letting each individual Jew decide these questions for himself or herself? How is it “unfortunate” if not all Jews come to the same conclusion on questions of Judaism? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/57 "2009-03-02T01:32:47Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Here’s the crux of the issue: The pittee believes that Jews who don’t adhere to her personal standards for Judaism are responsible for the “lack of Judaism” in Israel, which she finds to be “unfortunate.” She’s decided on behalf of all the Jews what it means to be Jewish. Pretty much. It reminds me of fundies who claim that only TRUE Christians do THIS, blah blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/58 "2009-03-02T01:43:02Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > She’s decided on behalf of all the Jews what it means to be Jewish. I didn’t pick up that idea, but so what? Are you afraid to tell me what it means to be American? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/59 "2009-03-02T01:47:34Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I didn’t pick up that idea, but so what? Are you afraid to tell me what it means to be American? It’s not for me to decide that everyone in America should do THIS or THAT-as long as they aren’t hurting other people. (Besides, I thought you were in Canada) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771/60 "2009-03-02T01:58:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (Besides, I thought you were in Canada) What does that have to do with anything ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-pitting-of-a-bigoted-jew/487771.md?page=4)