# The plane that hit the pentagon **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 27, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869 "2004-08-27T23:24:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/81 "2004-09-06T23:59:41Z")
And by the way, did either WTC tower have a plane-sized hole in it? As I recall, no. ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/82 "2004-09-21T14:38:07Z")
A funny [update--whatreallyhappened.com](http://update--whatreallyhappened.com), one of the gung-ho missile/coverup sites, also has an entire page of eyewitness accounts. All of which say that it was clearly a passenger jet. [http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911\_pentagon\_eyewitnesses.html](http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html) ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/83 "2004-12-07T19:00:26Z")
Granted, as a military Officer, I’m sure to counted as part of the “conspiracy.” But I was in the Navy Annex parking lot when that plane crashed into the Pentagon. If was a 757, and believe me, when a 757 screams over your head going full throttle, it does sound like a freight train. I’d love to know what “unanswered questions” some still want answered. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/84 "2004-12-07T19:57:57Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Granted, as a military Officer, I’m sure to counted as part of the “conspiracy.” But I was in the Navy Annex parking lot when that plane crashed into the Pentagon. If was a 757, and believe me, when a 757 screams over your head going full throttle, it does sound like a freight train. I’d love to know what “unanswered questions” some still want answered. Welcome to the SDMB, **spifflog**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/85 "2004-12-08T01:50:17Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > …believe me, when a 757 screams over your head going full throttle, it does sound like a freight train… Really? I would have expected the 757 to be louder. By the way - did you get knocked around any by the wind of it passing by? I’ve been wondering about that sort of thing. And, oh yes, welcome to the Straight Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/86 "2004-12-08T02:18:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > And by the way, did either WTC tower have a plane-sized hole in it? As I recall, no. Do you think they might have knocked down the World Trade Centers to conceal the fact the hole made by the object that hit them wasn’t big enough to be made by a plane? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/87 "2004-12-08T04:28:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > If the wings exploded, shouldn’t the lawn have been showered by fragments, easily recognizable and identifiable? I give you a lawn showered by easily recognizable and identifiable Flight 77 plane debris: [http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/wr-redl.html](http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/wr-redl.html) [http://77debris.batcave.net/AA.html](http://77debris.batcave.net/AA.html) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/88 "2004-12-09T10:54:13Z")
Looked at the links. I’m just amazed at the lengths some folks go to in order to come up with any explanation other than the official one. WITH the evidence staring them in the face! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/89 "2004-12-09T11:09:39Z")
**CurtC** : Thanks for the info, but truth be told I am sick to death of this thread. I don’t have any more questions, I don’t care. But thank you for providing more evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/90 "2004-12-09T16:46:25Z")
I grew up near Tinker AFB in Oklahoma City. Once a fighter jet crashed as it was coming in for a landing. The pilot was killed as he opted to stay in to guide the plane to an open field that was in a residential area. The crash site was less than half a mile from a high school that my older siblings were attending at the time. I got to the crash site very early. The fire trucks were putting out the last of the grass fire. There wasn’t much left of that plane. A large chunk of one of the engins, maybe 20% of it was the only part identifiable to me. I can’t remember the type of plane but I remember that I had a model of it hanging in my room at the time. There were smaller bits on the ground for sure and the ground was scorched but there was no impact crater or anything like that. The earth is pretty solid and a plane impacting on it does not do that much damage. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869/91 "2004-12-09T17:09:30Z")
And to support **Zebra** ’s comments, let’s look at pictures from the Concorde crash. [Scorched ground, no crater](http://www.aeronautics.ru/img003/concord-crash-jul-25-03.jpg), and [Fragments,](http://www.aeronautics.ru/img003/concord-crash-jul-25-22.jpg) [of a similar size to those on the Pentagon lawn](http://www.aeronautics.ru/img003/concord-crash-jul-25-25.jpg). Everything on the photographs of the Pentagon shows _exactly what is typical_ of a large fuel-laden plane crashing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-plane-that-hit-the-pentagon/261869.md?page=4)