# The players tried to leave the field, the marching band refused to yield, what details have been concealed, the way they tased this guy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 16, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216 "2023-09-16T19:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/201 "2023-09-20T21:37:19Z")
I’m astonished that people on this board are arguing that the police acted appropriately. They tased a band director because he didn’t end a high school band’s playing fast enough. Seriously? A taser is not an insignificant use of force. People can die from being tased. And they apparently tased him twice. Hundreds of people in the US alone have died after being tased. Would you have justified the police if the bandleader had died? Is capital punishment appropriate for playing songs after a football game? Would you have been OK if he had clubbed him instead or put him in a choke hold? All the cop needed to do was wait until their song ended, and politely ask the band leader to end the playing. He did not have to interrupt while the band was playing. If the bands had been alternating their playing as suggested, it would have been obvious to anyone what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/202 "2023-09-20T21:39:35Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I would like to know that as well. The Stadium lights would go out at our highschool by some administration person unlocking a door and flipping a lever. They did it after the maintenance crew were done in the stands. And all gates locked. Ummm…so maybe the maintenance crew were done in the stands, there were no safety issues and the cops were just being assholes? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/203 "2023-09-20T21:42:20Z")
How could they be done? The band was still in the stands. All the trash has to go. As some people who throw their trash down at events think, it doesn’t magically disappear. Some poor schlub has to remove it. Probably after working all day at the school as a janitor. Yeah, I’d say he wanted to go home. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/204 "2023-09-20T21:45:33Z")
Were the bands preventing the maintenance crew for doing their work? This was a high school, not Dodgers stadium. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/205 "2023-09-20T21:46:40Z")
Kids are nasty. That was probably the dirtiest part of the stands. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/206 "2023-09-20T21:53:07Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > I’m astonished that people on this board are arguing that the police acted appropriately. They tased a band director because he didn’t end a high school band’s playing fast enough. If that were what happened, then yes, it would be astonishing, and apparently the craving for astonishment is much stronger than the boring chore of engaging with the actual events. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/207 "2023-09-20T21:54:27Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Kids are nasty. That was probably the dirtiest part of the stands. Bullshit and that is offensive. When my band (and most bands I know) leave, their part of the bleachers is THE CLEANEST part of the stadium. You have no idea what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/208 "2023-09-20T21:56:35Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > Bullshit and that is offensive. When my band (and most bands I know) leave, their part of the bleachers is THE CLEANEST part of the stadium. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is correct. Whatever else is being thrown around, the band is pretty much always the cleanest and best-behaved group of people in the stadium. There is no reason to assume the band misbehaved at all, and they shouldn’t be blamed for their director’s actions (which are entirely a different matter) ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/209 "2023-09-20T21:57:19Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > apparently the craving for astonishment is much stronger than the boring chore of engaging with the actual events. Engaging with the actual facts in the light most favorable to the officers, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/210 "2023-09-20T21:59:03Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > If that were what happened, then yes, it would be astonishing, and apparently the craving for astonishment is much stronger than the boring chore of engaging with the actual events. Oh, wait…you mean the band leader wasn’t tased? Or are you arguing that he was tased because he didn’t respond to the police when they issued an unreasonable and dubious order to end the playing? My mistake! He definitely deserved what he got! Damn band leaders are such a threat to society! [Sarcasm]. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/211 "2023-09-20T22:00:08Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > Bullshit and that is offensive. When my band (and most bands I know) leave, their part of the bleachers is THE CLEANEST part of the stadium. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/212 "2023-09-20T22:01:23Z")
Oh yes I do know what I’m talking about. I’ve raised 4 kids. I’m glad you have your kids pick up after themselves after ball games. And that they comply w/o resisting the order. Not every band director has that kinda control. Oh, wait…the order and discipline has to start somewhere. And I’ve personally cleaned a few band buses after a trip. It was pretty gross. Let me tell you. All band kids aren’t perfect. ETA: I have also chaperoned on band trips and volunteered at band camps. Those are just kids carrying every bad habit they ever learned or seen some adult get away with. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/213 "2023-09-20T22:05:12Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > Oh, wait…you mean the band leader wasn’t tased? Again, here’s that preference to engage with statements/facts not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/214 "2023-09-20T22:06:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Again, here’s that preference to engage with statements/facts not in evidence. So he really wasn’t tased? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/215 "2023-09-20T22:07:13Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > So he really wasn’t tased? If you’re confused about that fact, it’s not due to anything that I said or implied. Did someone tell you that he wasn’t tased? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/216 "2023-09-20T22:10:30Z")
Huh? I don’t believe there is any disagreement as to whether he was tased. It was captured on video, the band leader claims he was tased, the statement the police gave to the press said he was tased, and I bet the records at the hospital the police say they took him to confirms that as well. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/217 "2023-09-20T22:13:03Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > I’m astonished that people on this board are arguing that the police acted appropriately. I’m astonished that you’re astonished. There is a large portion of Americans that feel that an officer’s requests come from on high, and that officers are correct in 99% in whatever they do. Hell, 35% of Americans believed the officers that murdered George Floyd deserved a parade, and that if he had just gotten in the car, nothing bad would have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Kirstin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/edb3f5/32.png) [@Kirstin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirstin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/218 "2023-09-20T22:34:47Z")
Invoking George Floyd does not make an argument at all and certainly not a case closed one. It’s actually proof that you have no argument, as well as being prejudiced that you’re prejudiced. Just like in any other profession, there’s good ones, bad ones, and crazy ones. Your comment is of one that needs to ride along with a cop for at least a few days. You’ll soon realize how important your own safety becomes. It’s your life on the line now. How much trust will you give someone that’s being placed under arrest and refusing to show his/her hands, or their hand suddenly darting under their jacket or jammed into a pocket. Let’s see how much calm understanding and unlimited patience you’ll have after day after day of being disrespected and lied to. Seeing the worst of people and the worst of what can happen to a person. “Protect and Serve” was the winning entry of an in-house competition LAPD held over 50 years ago to come up with a great motto the police department to use in public relations. In reality there’s nothing police can do to protect anyone other than for their lives and the lives of the officers working with them. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that for protection, We the People are on our own to defend ourselves. Police are called Law Enforcement Officers because that’s what they do. The only protecting and serving they do is for the State and its laws. Police will come and try to save you as fast as they can. By enforcing the laws and ordinances of the jurisdictions they serve, they actually are protecting EVERYONES RIGHTS when other people have violated them. Also and just sayin, I don’t know any cops personally. I’ve been tangled up in blue more than a few but enough to know firsthand that there are bad cops but hardly any. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/219 "2023-09-20T22:35:12Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > Safety? How was he standing in the way of safety? If we all don’t instantly obey authority figures we are all dead, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/220 "2023-09-20T22:43:12Z")
> [@Kirstin](#): > > Invoking George Floyd does not make an argument at all and certainly not a case closed one. It’s actually proof that you have no argument, as well as being prejudiced that you’re prejudiced. I invoked George Floyd because what you wrote was heinous and this is not the pit. Any cop that openly stated what you wrote would be quickly investigated by I.A. “As well as being prejudiced that you’re prejudiced” is a nonsensical statement. > [@Kirstin](#): > > Your comment is of one that needs to ride along with a cop for at least a few days. You’ll soon realize how important your own safety becomes. It’s your life on the line now. Being a police officer is not an inherently dangerous profession. There are simply no statistics to suggest that it is. > [@Kirstin](#): > > Let’s see how much calm understanding and unlimited patience you’ll have after day after day of being disrespected and lied to. So what? Be a professional. Too bad if it hurts their feelings. They are being paid to deal with people in bad situations. > [@Kirstin](#): > > I’ve been tangled up in blue more than a few but enough to know firsthand that there are bad cops but hardly any. I guess we have VERY different opinions of what constitutes a bad cop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216.md?page=12)