# The players tried to leave the field, the marching band refused to yield, what details have been concealed, the way they tased this guy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 16, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216 "2023-09-16T19:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/261 "2023-09-21T00:30:10Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > It sounds like the bands were taking turns and the other band was already done when the police rode in on blazing saddles. So that’s kinda irrelevant. > > No, that’s not documented. Someone upthread suggested maybe they saw something where someone said maybe this was the case. Nobody has any idea if it happened, again people are engaging with what they wish was true instead of what’s in evidence. Sorry, i was confusing that with > [@Balance](#): > > Sgt: “We got to go. The minutes is over.” [Apparently pointing to the scoreboard.] > Mims: “I know. We’re fixing to go. This is our last song.” So what is in evidence is that the band leader told the cop who was yelling in his face that they were finishing up. And somehow, that wasn’t good enough for officer “you must respect my authority”. And i misread the location of “minute” in that quote. I guess I’m tired and my dyslexia is acting up worse than usual. When i said > [@puzzlegal](#): > > instead of doing the normal thing, and tapping him on the shoulder to ask him to wrap up at the end of the song. I didn’t literally mean to tap him, i meant figuratively. But really, i meant the normal thing is to tell the band to wrap it up at the end of the song. “Stop this very instant” is a bizarre request, and no one has offered any mitigating evidence that it wasn’t bizarre. Also, > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > There’s no good reason for anyone to hang out after a high school football game. Like @Babale , in my middle-class, mostly-white school there were many good reasons to hang out after a football game. They mostly consisted of people who ran into each other catching up, and other positive social interactions. You even used the word “festive” to describe the situation. And yet, despite that, everyone filed out while the music played, maybe not as fast as possible, but reasonably quickly. Because, you know, the game was over. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/262 "2023-09-21T00:31:36Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > This is an inane digression and I’m not interested in it. But if you’re asking, > > > [@Latimera](#): > > > > My mistake! He definitely deserved what he got! Damn band leaders are such a threat to society! > > I don’t think I prosecuted that one as fact. If I treated it as anything but a dumb soccer flop, that’s on me, I won’t do it again. Maybe you should quote my entire post instead of taking it out of context. Here, I’ll help you with that: > [@Latimera](#): > > Oh, wait…you mean the band leader wasn’t tased? Or are you arguing that he was tased because he didn’t respond to the police when they issued an unreasonable and dubious order to end the playing? My mistake! He definitely deserved what he got! Damn band leaders are such a threat to society! [Sarcasm]. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/263 "2023-09-21T00:33:14Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > My mistake! He definitely deserved what he got! Damn band leaders are such a threat to society! > [@Latimera](#): > > **Most** people in this thread are discussing the issue rationally and without undue rhetoric. Eh… **some** people. Wouldn’t stretch it to **most** people. But this digression doesn’t serve the point and I’m glad to drop it. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/264 "2023-09-21T00:37:19Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > “Get out of my face” is an asshole way to address police unless you are 99% certain there was no emergency going on. When your job involves seeing the band & them seeing you, the cops standing there is preventing him from doing his job & potentially making the band look bad as they miss their conducting cues. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > High school football games can get dangerous when people loiter after closing. It’s not theoretical or imaginary, this happened a few weeks ago at a game where my kids were present, a fight broke out and someone got stabbed (thankfully not fatally). That’s not an outlier, it’s the luckier end of what actually can happen. There’s a legitimate public safety concern with letting people loiter in the venue after the event has concluded, and it’s obtuse to pretend otherwise. How often does that happen i& is it the norm or the exception? there have been school shootings this year so why do you continue to send your kids to their school instead of home schooling them to keep them safe? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/265 "2023-09-21T00:37:56Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > This band director _made a choice_ to put his students in direct harms way. _What are you talking about?_ He put them in harm’s way by having them stay in their seats and continue playing? _What harm???_ ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/266 "2023-09-21T00:41:37Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > _What are you talking about?_ He put them in harm’s way by having them stay in their seats and continue playing? _What harm???_ By not immediately complying with the polite request of the police officer he is giving the kids license to vandalize the school. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/268 "2023-09-21T00:45:45Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > Maybe you should quote my entire post instead of taking it out of context. Here, I’ll help you with that: _sigh_ OK, fine, it’s late and exhausting, but if you want to unpack that whole thing, I guess we have to. > [@Latimera](#): > > Oh, wait…you mean the band leader wasn’t tased? Or are you arguing that he was tased because he didn’t respond to the police when they issued an unreasonable and dubious order to end the playing? My mistake! He definitely deserved what he got! Damn band leaders are such a threat to society! [Sarcasm]. This whole quote could have easily been summarized as “your post seems like nonsense, could you clarify it?” Had you asked, I’d have been happy to do so, but obviously this wasn’t the intent and wasn’t asked. Which, fine, whatever. This is a message board, rhetoric is part of the game, but if you want to pretend you can’t track the difference between factual discourse and rhetorical discourse, your behavior demonstrates your level of honesty on that. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/269 "2023-09-21T00:49:46Z")
Moderating: > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > your behavior demonstrates your level of honesty on that. Hey, as you say, it’s getting late, and the players are tired. But that’s cutting a little too far towards “attacking the poster”. Please dial it back a little. And that goes for those who are disagreeing with @HMS_Irruncible , too. Please be mindful to address the content of the posts, and not the poster. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/270 "2023-09-21T00:57:02Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I don’t like how young people act nowadays. Maybe I’m getting old or something but it seems they are unruly, bad-mouthed and untrained. Some carry weapons and engage in unlawful activities that endanger the public. > They drive like jerks and treat the other sexes in awful ways. > Some one needs to try and stop this trend. Or we’ll be in an awful mess Hear, hear. The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/271 "2023-09-21T01:00:01Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Oh, those rotten kids! As one person said: > > > The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. > > Attributed by Plato to Socrates, circa 400-something B.C. Shit, you beat me to it 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/272 "2023-09-21T01:10:05Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > How often does that happen i& is it the norm or the exception? I’ve been in school districts where I have no concerns with kids loitering after game, and more than a few where I was ready to go well before the end buzzer. I mentioned earlier that there was a stabbing at a game a few weeks ago where my kids were present. You can infer that I definitely didn’t expect that, because otherwise I wouldn’t have let them attend. I thought this was a fairly safe district. I have some hard questions to think about here, because in this case it’s not me being a student or serving a role, it’s my kids school in their home cluster. We have to live with this for the next 4 years and I have some hard choices to consider. I don’t know what was the risk assessment in this situation, it’s not my district or close to it. I do know that at the end of the football game, there’s nothing else to see, and dangerous things happen when people hang around. I don’t trust cops in general but I have no issue with them declaring the field closed in this situation. It’s a legitimate safety issue, and cops should arrest anyone who prevents them from clearing the safety issue. So I see see this arrest as entirely legitimate, the detainee was given extremely generous and deferential opportunity to leave a place where he had no right to linger. As far as escalating to tasing, I don’t like it. But he was given so many opportunities to shut it down, and he not only didn’t do that, he physically pushed back when being placed into custody. I’m not happy he got beaten or tased but I see there was a continuum from no contact to forcible arrest, and the director refused every exit ramp that was offered. Generally I’m skeptical to cops but in this case I can’t really fault them. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/273 "2023-09-21T01:11:57Z")
Huh. We must have watched a different video. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/274 "2023-09-21T01:21:45Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > As far as escalating to tasing, I don’t like it. But he was given so many opportunities to shut it down, and he not only didn’t do that, he physically pushed back when being placed into custody. He had no opportunity at all to shut it down, because he wasn’t the one with the taser. “Getting tased” wasn’t something he did. It was something the assailant did. After he had finished complying with the assailant’s demand. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/275 "2023-09-21T01:22:56Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Huh. We must have watched a different video. I’m going off the transcript upthread. This was the beginning of the interaction: > [@Balance](#): > > [Band is playing.] > Officer 1: “When we say go. Let’s go.” > [Officer is between Mims and the band, extending his hands toward Mims and gesturing.] > Mims: “Get out of my face.” [Gestures for the officer to move aside and conducts. This seems to be repeated.] > Officer 1: “I got my troops. They gone sweep their asses out, okay.” This was first contact. This was the beginning of it. We could mention that everyone here is the same race, but that’s not really important. Note, either party could have stood down at this point. I don’t like the officer’s mouth here, but nobody’s perfect. However, did the director have a mandate to protect public safety, property, life or limb? No, he just really wanted to have his show. I get the instinct, I’ve been there, but that’s a subordinate concern to public safety. I’m not going to walk through all the other stages of this, but if you read the transcript, you can see the director had so many opportunities to stand down and move on. At every point he declined, he was advised he was at risk of being detained, and then he chose to physically push back on that. At a point it becomes obvious someone thinks they’re more special than everything happening around him, and unfortunately it appears he unsuccessfully failed in testing that assumption. I don’t like it, but choices have consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/276 "2023-09-21T01:24:50Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > This was first contact. This was the beginning of it. > > Note, either party could have stood down here. Yeah, the director could have just stood down and gone back to doing his job. Oh, wait, that’s exactly what he was doing. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/277 "2023-09-21T01:28:00Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > But he was given so many opportunities to shut it down, and he not only didn’t do that, he physically pushed back when being placed into custody. He “physically pushed back?” Do you have evidence of that? It doesn’t show that in the videos I’ve seen. Is this one of the facts you keep talking about? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/278 "2023-09-21T01:28:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, the director could have just stood down and gone back to doing his job. Oh, wait, that’s exactly what he was doing. The director was a public school educator. When the final buzzer sounded, he had one and only one responsibility: get his kids safely back on the bus and home. He made a different and regrettable choice. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/279 "2023-09-21T01:31:31Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > When the final buzzer sounded, he had one and only one responsibility: get his kids safely back on the bus and home. You have exactly zero evidence for this statement. None. For all we know, this could be the schedule after every game. For all we know, this band schedule was approved by the school. We know nothing, at all, about what was allowed or not allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/280 "2023-09-21T01:35:52Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The director was a public school educator. When the final buzzer sounded, he had one and only one responsibility: get his kids safely back on the bus and home. He made a different and regrettable choice. …are we still talking about a marching band playing instruments after a _sports game_? Because this reads to me as if you are describing some sort of a dystopian nightmare. Without any additional context, I’m imagining barbed wire fences, riots on the streets, Judge Dredd on his way in order to enforce THE LAW. “Johnny Mims. You have made a regrettable choice. You are sentenced to…A TASING!” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/281 "2023-09-21T01:41:33Z")
Yeah. Every school sports game I’ve been to has included some “exit music” played by the band. My a priori expectation is that the band director is responsible for making that happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216.md?page=15)