# The Point and Laugh at Fred13 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294 "2012-04-09T20:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FlyByNight512](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/82dd89/32.png) [@FlyByNight512](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyByNight512)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/1 "2012-04-09T20:11:21Z")
[Meet **Fred13**.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647779) > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/1): > > First, I already know that nearly all girls are bi/bicurious/lesbian(90%) and that the vast majority of girls are experimental and get with girls all the time. But, this is for the very few girls who are actually straight. Are these girls usually unattractive? […] Are straight girls straight just because they aren’t good looking enough to get a girl? Well, there’s a small problem with his first assumption there. Several Dopers want to see some proof that 90% of the female population is bi/bicurious/lesbian. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/9): > > Ok. And my sorurces are real life. This makes a little more sense when he says that he’s 24, and [POST=14947176]lives in Miami, the land of lezzies and bi girls.[/POST] Cue many offerings of studies and personal experience that contradicts him. But don’t worry, why admit defeat when you can just move the goal posts? > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/24): > > I didn’t see the year sorry. I’m guessing since your older the women are “more heterosexual”? Really younger women my age are as I described. […] > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/82): > > […] you’ve never been to a club before nor a party I’m guessing, so how would you know what happens? […] > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/104): > > Look, I’m 24 years old. Ever since Katy perry became a hit every girl and their best friend is bisexual. I’m not sure of your age, but in this generation it’s considered rare for a girl to not be bisexual. I you are older, it’s probably much different.l don’t think Perry was a hit in other countries besides the US and UK, so bisexual girls and lesbians aren’t as abundant in other countries. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/161): > > Do you mean over 30 or my age of 24? That’s a big difference? Are you sheltered or do. You go out? You wouldn’t see this if you are inside all day. Also, if your area is one of those by ho ophobic, conservative regions then I’m guessing that could have swayed your results as well. See? Almost all women are bicurious. If your experiences differ, it’s because you’re too old, don’t go clubbing enough, not American, too sheltered or live in a homophobic, conservative region. But other than that, nearly all women are bicurious. Actual large scale, well funded studies from the Williams Institute in 2011 don’t deter him either. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/165): > > […] First up, there’s no,way that number is that low. Is that for. Some religious website? There’s been surveys saying 75% of girls are bi and others claiming more although I admit the validity to it could be off. […] > [@](#): > > The Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Law and Public Policy at UCLA School of Law advances law and public policy through rigorous, independent research and scholarship, and disseminates its work through a variety of education programs and media to judges, legislators, lawyers, other policymakers and the public. Fred13 then proceeds to insist that any woman who has ever kissed another woman - for any reason and at any time in her history - is bicurious, [POST=14949022] even if she’s pretending[/POST]. It doesn’t matter how you identify yourself now. He knows better. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/121): > > Ok, but for some reason you cling to heterosexual instead of admitting you are bicurious. You may be older, but honestly seem ignorant of sexuality. A true, and I mean real heterosexual woman doesn’t fantasize about women, same as men who are hetero. You claim you are, which is wrong. I don’t see the point of clinging to that when most women are also lgbt as well. Also, I may be 24, but I usually am around much older men, so don’t classify me with my own age group. Don’t worry, it would be an insult to 24 year olds everywhere to classify you with them, and we’re too polite for that. **Belowjob2.0** agrees that within the entertainment industry, many young women have lesbian flings, but he doesn’t think it’s anything more than a fling for most of them and clarifies that he’s speaking only of the entertainment industry. **Fred13** thinks he has a loyal supporter. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/188): > > […]The sterotyping of straight women being ugly is proven by belowjob. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/199): > > You think they a straight but they aren’t. Like belowjob said, it’s secretive. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/240): > > You tell me? I didn’t even know until belowjob’s story that women were secret about this. With men I could say that men who are straight are never gay. For women, I don’t know at this point. Care to explain belowjob’s experiences then? It’s so secritive that only **Fred13** , using his keen insight into human nature, has been able to detect this, _and he didn’t even know it was supposed to be secret_. But then **Belowjob2.0** drops a bomb on the conversation and says that men in the entertainment world [post=14949008]have a lot of homosexual flings too[/post]. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/204): > > Interesting…so you are saying most men in entertainment have done this now as well? Okay now I’m skeptical. I understand the woman but I’m almost sure most men don’t have these fantasies or are in the closet like women are. I’m guessing for men at least it can’t be as common as you make it. > [@Are straight women less attractive than bi and lesbian women?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-straight-women-less-attractive-than-bi-and-lesbian-women/618227/210): > > [Belowjob2.0] said most women have a few lesbian fantasies, which is bicurious also. But, he’s saying it’s common in men as well, which is why I doubt him now. There’s also something about eels. Dirty, dirty, eels. **Fred13** , I salute you. Troll or not, this is the most amusing thread I’ve seen in a long time. Well played, sir, well played. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/2 "2012-04-09T20:18:29Z")
So that’s why I keep striking out! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/3 "2012-04-09T20:23:12Z")
That whole thread is entertainment gold for some reason. Obviously I don’t actually know my sexuality and need someone on the Internet to inform me what I truly am. According to Fred13 anyhoo. ---
**Author:** ![FlyByNight512](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/82dd89/32.png) [@FlyByNight512](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyByNight512)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/4 "2012-04-09T20:30:44Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > That whole thread is entertainment gold for some reason. Obviously I don’t actually know my sexuality and need someone on the Internet to inform me what I truly am. According to Fred13 anyhoo. You kept your composure much better than I would have! Most of the thread is point-and-laugh material but that bit was truly pit worthy. More sexually mature than thou, my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/5 "2012-04-09T20:31:49Z")
Bah, it’s no fun when they’re _too_ obvious. I’m only reading along ‘cause it beats working. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/6 "2012-04-09T20:35:45Z")
At least he was honest enough to post his age with his name. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/7 "2012-04-09T20:41:16Z")
> [@FlyByNight512](#): > > You kept your composure much better than I would have! Most of the thread is point-and-laugh material but that bit was truly pit worthy. More sexually mature than thou, my ass. Well, 5 or 10 years ago I’d have been more upset. But at 36, I know that no one is better qualified to tell me my sexuality than me, and no one is responsible for it but me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/8 "2012-04-09T20:55:45Z")
This came a quite a shock to my wife. She didn’t realize she was bi, having once kissed a girl in theatre. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/9 "2012-04-09T21:16:16Z")
I’ve seen far cleverer trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/10 "2012-04-09T21:17:54Z")
He doesn’t seem to realize that by asserting that other people’s experiences may vary because they haven’t gone clubbing enough to see what he’s seen, he’s conceded that club girls are in fact not typical of the general female population. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/11 "2012-04-09T21:18:41Z")
I was easily able to guess Fred’s join date. He’s not even trying for realism, although the horrible grammar and spelling add a nice touch of verisimilitude. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/12 "2012-04-09T23:40:24Z")
I wonder how he feels about sea otters, France, art galleries, coffee, porkpie hats, dandelions, and acoustic guitars? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/13 "2012-04-09T23:51:13Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I wonder how he feels about sea otters, France, art galleries, coffee, porkpie hats, dandelions, and acoustic guitars? 90% of them are bi. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/14 "2012-04-09T23:57:15Z")
And we’re giving this idiot attention why? ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/15 "2012-04-09T23:59:33Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > And we’re giving this idiot attention why? Because this place is a troll’s paradise, no matter how stupidly obvious the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/16 "2012-04-10T00:13:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 90% of them are bi. Except the ugly ones. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/17 "2012-04-10T00:15:11Z")
Less than 24 hours and it’s already up to 6 pages and climbing. It’s gonna be so dull around here when spring break is over and [del]Right Said Fred[/del] Fred13 has to go back to algebra class. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/18 "2012-04-10T00:31:26Z")
I have never wanted a sexual experience with another woman, and out of all of my female friends, I’d say 95% of them haven’t either (unless it’s a secret). What I can’t figure out is, is this because we are too old, or too ugly? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/19 "2012-04-10T00:31:52Z")
> [@](#): > > …has to go back to algebra class. Math. Not even once. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294/20 "2012-04-10T00:35:28Z")
I am also surprised that people have been wasting their time on this obvious troll. I’m sure he’s having a good laugh about it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-point-and-laugh-at-fred13-thread/618294.md?page=2)