# The Police State arrives... in the West Wing **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 27, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917 "2017-02-27T02:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/21 "2017-03-01T22:28:00Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I’m pretty sure they’re leaking it to George Soros and Chelsea Clinton. That’s what I heard earlier, I think. If there was no illegal/unlawful activity (aka no crime committed) which law enforcement agency would you ask to conduct the investigation? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/22 "2017-03-02T12:38:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If there was no illegal/unlawful activity (aka no crime committed) which law enforcement agency would you ask to conduct the investigation? That’s one of the benefits of having a _Geheime Staatzpolizei_, you can get them to investigate things that aren’t illegal or unlawful. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/23 "2017-03-02T14:04:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If there has been no actual illegal activity, which law enforcement agency do you expect will conduct the investigation? I think you should ask the President. He’s the one tweeting about how these leaks are threatening our national security and lamenting that the FBI can’t stop them. So which is it: are the leaks harmless or are they going to destroy America? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/24 "2017-03-02T14:07:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If there was no illegal/unlawful activity (aka no crime committed) which law enforcement agency would you ask to conduct the investigation? How do you know there’s no illegal/unlawful activity without the investigation? And how do you decide it’s time to stop investigating? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/25 "2017-03-02T14:36:34Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > How do you know there’s no illegal/unlawful activity without the investigation? > > And how do you decide it’s time to stop investigating? When a Republican is the target. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/26 "2017-03-02T16:50:46Z")
_The Seattle Tribune_ [is reporting](http://theseattletribune.com/trumps-unsecured-android-device-believed-to-be-source-of-recent-white-house-leaks/) that the recent leaks from the White House may be coming from 45’s unsecured Android phone. > [@](#): > > Initial reports from two [private intelligence agencies], A.R.H. Intelligence and Z|13 Security, indicate they suspect the source of the recent White House leaks to be President Trump’s unsecured Android device… > > Investigators from A.R.H. Intelligence and Z|13 Security believe that the unsecured Android device was most likely compromised by a suspicious animated GIF that was sent to President Trump via text message… > > If a hacker did gain access to the unsecured Android device, it’s possible they activated the device’s built-in microphone and camera and in-turn leaked the sensitive information gathered to members of the press. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/27 "2017-03-02T17:06:03Z")
Why is it that when I google ARH Intelligence, Z 13 Security, or Thomas McDowell, nothing seems to come up except for the Seattle Tribune? Oh, it’s because the Seattle Tribune is a humor newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/28 "2017-03-02T17:13:57Z")
:smack: I fell for it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/29 "2017-03-03T16:48:53Z")
for historical reference - > [@doorhinge](#): > > So far, there doesn’t seem to be any actual criminal activity. Has anyone actually discovered that classified information was leaked to the news media outlets? Or to China, Isle of Lucy, Canada, or Liechtenstein. If actual criminal activity is discovered, I suspect that the FBI, NSA, BATFE, Secret Service, U.S. Marshals, and/or Paul D. Irving will be notified. for historical reference - > [@doorhinge](#): > > If there was no illegal/unlawful activity (aka no crime committed) which law enforcement agency would you ask to conduct the investigation? (underline added) > [@Ravenman](#): > > I think you should ask the President. He’s the one tweeting about how these leaks are threatening our national security and lamenting that the FBI can’t stop them. > > So which is it: are the leaks harmless or are they going to destroy America? I’m in favor of investigations. The more, the merrier. Especially investigations of our elected officials and government agencies. Keeps them all on their toes. Hopefully, it makes them think that they may be next. Leaking personal/general conversations to the media is not a crime but it is a reason to fire the person, or persons, responsible. Leaking classified information to anyone who doesn’t have the proper clearance is a crime. Which is it in this case? So far, there is no evidence that a crime has actually been committed. Unless you know otherwise, of course. So which law enforcement agency do you believe should be responsible for investigating non-criminal activity? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/30 "2017-03-03T16:57:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > … > > Assuming that a staffer is leaking information, can you guarantee that the leakers are only supplying information to the news media outlets? Couldn’t they also leak information to China, Russia,… Trump staffers do not leak information to Russia. Trump has Top Men who do that. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/31 "2017-03-03T17:13:17Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > How do you know there’s no illegal/unlawful activity without the investigation? > > And how do you decide it’s time to stop investigating? Are you referring to a general investigation, or a criminal investigation? The WH is investigating. Isn’t that what the Democrat collective is whining about? How dare the WH hold an internal investigation to discover leaks from inside the WH? There doesn’t seem to be any reason for the FBI to get involved, yet. The FBI would need something a little stronger than “feelings” before allocating resources for a criminal investigation to investigate someone who was only sucking up to the media. If the leakers were also paying off blackmailers, or turning over classified information to the Chinese, or being paid in cash, drugs, and hookers, then there would be a strong evidence to open a CRIMINAL investigation. Why would you expect anyone to stop investigating? “They” are still investigating Bridgegate. Congress isn’t finished investigating ol’ Hillary’s bathroom email server. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/32 "2017-03-03T17:18:00Z")
> [@naita](#): > > That’s one of the benefits of having a _Geheime Staatzpolizei_, you can get them to investigate things that aren’t illegal or unlawful. Hahahaha. You may think that your boss is a Nazi if they oversee your work performance, or question you expenditures, but claiming there is a Geheime Staatzpolizei in the WH is simply fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/33 "2017-03-03T17:22:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Leaking personal/general conversations to the media is not a crime but it is a reason to fire the person, or persons, responsible. Leaking classified information to anyone who doesn’t have the proper clearance is a crime. Which is it in this case? Why do you keep asking me? I’m not the guy who rifles through my employee’s personal cell phones. You need to address your questions to Sergeant Schultz. I mean Sergeant Spicer. I know nothing!!! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/34 "2017-03-03T17:27:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Trump staffers do not leak information to Russia. Trump has Top Men who do that. Skip the middle men, Obama personally offered to bend over for Putin. \*“This is my last election,” Obama is heard telling outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. “After my election, I have more flexibility.” Medvedev replied in English, according to ABC News: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” an apparent reference to incoming President Vladmir Putin. …Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich also questioned Obama’s motives. “I’m curious, how many other countries has the president promised that he’d have a lot more flexibility the morning he doesn’t have to answer to the American people?” Gingrich said on CNN. \* [https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-russia-more-flexibility-elections-125849688.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-russia-more-flexibility-elections-125849688.html) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/35 "2017-03-03T17:30:10Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Why do you keep asking me? I’m not the guy who rifles through my employee’s personal cell phones. > > You need to address your questions to Sergeant Schultz. I mean Sergeant Spicer. I know nothing!!! (underlined) I thought I was asking Sergeant Schultz. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/36 "2017-03-03T17:33:40Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Trump has Top Men who do that. Who?? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/37 "2017-03-03T17:36:11Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Who?? Top. Men. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917/38 "2017-03-03T17:43:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You may think that your boss is a Nazi if they oversee your work performance, or question you expenditures, but claiming there is a Geheime Staatzpolizei in the WH is simply fake news. It occurs to me that there is no better user name for a Trump defender here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-police-state-arrives-in-the-west-wing/780917.md?page=1)