# The Political Class...The Monied Class...The Business Class... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112 "2010-08-04T06:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/41 "2010-08-04T18:30:39Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Illuminati, Bilderburg, leaders of the New Free World > > desperate measures, desperate times > > Alex Jones WAS FUCKING RIGHT! > > Avery for President > > no more Loose Change, he pays his rent > > Bermas, Gage and Griffin > > led the way; they’re heaven sent > > Christian Right, Christian Wrong > > Hurry up and pass that bong! Whoa! I didn’t know Pop Will Eat Itself was back together! ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/42 "2010-08-04T18:38:19Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Mega-Rich bastards tend to be a lot more ambitious and better organised. They are the ones we need to keep an eye on, not the poor bastard who’s thinking of stealing your running shoes off your feet. Aren’t you the guy who wanted Big Brother viewscreens installed in peoples houses and other tracking devices permeating society? You’re one of the pro-fascist members of the board. Anyone know if there’s another? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/43 "2010-08-04T18:39:31Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Whoa! I didn’t know Pop Will Eat Itself was back together! Someone had to carry the torch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/44 "2010-08-04T18:41:22Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > Mega-Rich bastards tend to be a lot more ambitious and better organised. They are the ones we need to keep an eye on, not the poor bastard who’s thinking of stealing your running shoes off your feet. > > Aren’t you the guy who wanted Big Brother viewscreens installed in peoples houses and other tracking devices permeating society? You’re one of the pro-fascist members of the board. Anyone know if there’s another? Nope. Definitely weren’t me. Are you sure it wasn’t ivan otherone? I think he wears big, shiny boots. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/45 "2010-08-04T18:54:21Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > > > Aren’t you the guy who wanted Big Brother viewscreens installed in peoples houses and other tracking devices permeating society? You’re one of the pro-fascist members of the board. Anyone know if there’s another? > > Nope. Definitely weren’t me. Are you sure it wasn’t ivan otherone? I think he wears big, shiny boots. Er, sorry, but you _are_ our resident fascist. I know there are some right wingers who’ve been mislabled as such, but as far as I know you’re the prime standard bearer and proponent: > [@The top 1% - the World over...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-top-1-the-world-over/545680/110): > > I don’t give a shit if they are modest and humble and want to stay out of the limelight… I want to be able to find out what they are up to with a few taps on my keyboard. There’s lots of other examples, but it’s your ideology to defend and embrace. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/46 "2010-08-04T18:59:46Z")
> [@The top 1% - the World over...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-top-1-the-world-over/545680/110): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > Nope. Definitely weren’t me. Are you sure it wasn’t ivan otherone? I think he wears big, shiny boots. > > Er, sorry, but you _are_ our resident fascist. I know there are some right wingers who’ve been mislabled as such, but as far as I know you’re the prime standard bearer and proponent: > > > [@The top 1% - the World over...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-top-1-the-world-over/545680/110): > > > > I don’t give a shit if they are modest and humble and want to stay out of the limelight… I want to be able to find out what they are up to with a few taps on my keyboard. > > There’s lots of other examples, but it’s your ideology to defend and embrace. If you think that makes me a fascist, I don’t really know what to say except… YOU’RE A FUCKING IDIOT. If people can want the right to tap on a few keys to find out if someone is a pedofile, and not be labelled “fascists”, I don’t see how my wanting to know a bit more about who has all the wealth and is likely to affect my world far more than a lowly pedophile can be labelled fascistic. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/47 "2010-08-04T19:18:01Z")
Wanting to keep video and other invasive surveillance on people based solely on your curiosity and paranoid fantasies of what they might be doing that might tangentially affect you is a hallmark of fascism. Again, it’s your ideology, your desires, etc. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/48 "2010-08-04T19:29:17Z")
> [@lurking\_guest](#): > > Bill and Hillary Clinton’s daughter just got married…SO??? > > Why the **HELL** should that Matter to any ONE? To be fair, I can get behind that sentiment. Why is it that people with usernames like **lurking guest** , **Seeker of Truth** , **Simply Wondering** and **Just Asking Questions** all tend to be flaming conspiracy-obsessed loons\*? \*apologies to all posters with these or similar names who are actually sane. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/49 "2010-08-04T19:29:39Z")
Way to read more into my posts than I’m actually saying, Wonder Brain. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/50 "2010-08-04T19:30:58Z")
Hmmm. Interesting. Usually at this point LG has shown up enough to drool spittle on a few random detractors. This supports my other theory, which is that it’s the simple asking of questions she doesn’t want to answer that drives her back into hiding. Well, another datum for the ongoing research project, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/51 "2010-08-04T19:34:25Z")
Six o’clock … TV hour! DON’T GET CAUGHT IN FOREIGN TOWERS … Slash and burn! Return … listen to yourself churn … Locking in … UNIFORMING … book burning!!! blood letting!!! Every motive … escalate … Automotive incinerate!! Light a candle … light a VOTIVEv… Step down! step down! Watch your heel crush… CRUSHED!!! Uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier… Renegade steer clear! A tournament, a tournament … A TOURNAMENT OF LIES!!! Offer me solutions! … Offer me alternatives … and I decline. The other night I dreamt of knives! … !! continental drift divide. … Mountains sit in a line … LEONARD BERRNSTEIN! Leonid Brezhnev … Lenny Bruce … and Lester Bangs. Birthday party … cheesecake … jelly bean … BOOM! You symbiotic … PATRIOTIC!! … slam book neck … … right? RIGHT! \*\*- Lurking Guest _is Michael Stipe_ ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/52 "2010-08-05T03:17:28Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Let me take a stab at it… > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Hurry up and pass that bong! [Amateurs.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12697581&postcount=48) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/53 "2010-08-05T04:05:14Z")
The Business Class stinks. Won’t even let us use their goddam bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/54 "2010-08-05T11:16:06Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@Smeghead](#): > > > > Lurking Guest: Here is the question I’ve been asking for the last three or four of these incomprehensible gibberish-filled threads of yours. Several threads back, you made the claim that in order to be in the top 1% of the world, wealth-wise, you’d have to be a multimillionaire. Cites were posted that conclusively proved you completely wrong, and, in fact, you only need to be earning roughly $40,000 a year to be in the top 1%. So, **do you admit that you were wrong about that statement? If not, how do you explain those citations?** > > I know you aren’t asking me, but will you stop banging on as if that is a serious point against LG’s overall argument that the mega-rich are an untrustworthy bunch of bastards It’s maybe not a serious point against _ **that** _ overall argument. It is, however, a serious point against the _ **other** _ overall argument. LG is trying, here, to stir up the rest of “the people” against “the 2%”; it therefore strikes me as entirely relevant to ask whether LG is addressing that 2% or the aforementioned rest of the people (and whether LG happens to be in said 2%, for that matter). LG is against _“the 2% who seek to gain and hold on to their MONEY”_. LG says they _“ALL have something in common: The DESIRE to keep themselves in POWER around the GLOBE and to keep their MONEY, keep on making MONEY.”_ LG attributes them with the following cri de couer: _“Screw the People…The FIEFDOM is ALL that matters.”_ Since I’m a proud member of that 2%, LG’s rant does _ **worse** _ than fall on deaf ears. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/55 "2010-08-05T12:18:01Z")
If you are earning that little that you have time to be posting on the Dope, I don’t think you are really who **LG** is feeling threatened by. Consider that a mistake in his maths and just move on. ps. Watch **Bill Gates** log in now and make a twat of me! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112/56 "2010-08-05T23:36:10Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If you are earning that little that you have time to be posting on the Dope, I don’t think you are really who **LG** is feeling threatened by. Consider that a mistake in his maths and just move on. But go back to the nested quote: LG has previously asked us to rally against the threat posed by the top 1%, and then by the top 10%, and now by the top 2%. The apparent mistake in LG’s math has been swiftly pointed out in each thread, and without acknowledging the previous error LG keeps coming up with new and different ways to feel threatened by the wrong people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-political-class-the-monied-class-the-business-class/549112.md?page=2)