What you want, then, is for industries who have ‘weak growth’ or ‘even net losses’ to hire more people, and you are shocked that mid-wage and lower-wage industries, who are doing well and showing higher growth are instead hiring? And this makes sense to you how, exactly?
So…I don’t see where they are talking about outsourcing or offshoring here. They are talking about more of that recession thingy that you don’t seem able to grasp, plus a housing bubble that burst which is going to be even more difficult to get your to acknowledge.
Possibly because, you know, we are still in that recession and still have that housing bubble bust to deal with? I mean, I know it’s crazy and all, but perhaps (just perhaps, mind) those higher wage construction and housing jobs haven’t come back yet because, well, no one is buying new houses today? Possibly because there is a glut of houses that no one is buying still on the market? I know, I know…it’s crazy. And it’s probably due to offshoring and outsourcing construction jobs to India that’s the REAL culprit…
Hmm, so China’s growth peaked for the year 2007, and then fell after that.
I wonder if there were any economic circumstances that could have affected china’s economy at that exact time? Nah – it must be all that tariff-dropping that we’ve been hearing about.
As for the growth rate being higher at some points during the recession: that isn’t true. And even if we extended the worldwide recession to cover 2010 (to try to make your statement true), you’d have to put on a special pair of glasses to look at the graph and say it shows linear decline from 2007 to the present.
Nice specific example.
That reminds me of that thing that time. Y’know, that thing that proved protectionism is wrong for some reason. By that guy.
An oasis of high paying jobs in a large desert of low-paying work.
Their growth recovered after the crash. Then they lowered their tariffs again and guess what happened right after? Their growth dropped. Again.
I didn’t say it shows a linear decline. I said that right after China lowered its tariffs again and its growth dropped. Again.
The argument I was responding to was the bullshit claim that tariffs “fuck up” a country. China has had tariffs for years and their growth was off the charts during that time. Tariffs do not fuck up a country.
I regularly travel the 250 miles from where I live in Grapes of Wrath land to teh bay Area, haunting the area between San Jose and Palo Alto for the most part, and very definitely including Mountain View where google is based, and where I lived > 10 years.
Contrasting the two areas, I have to say you have a strange concept of “oasis” and “large desert” and “low paying work”. Perhaps you should tour these abutting, large, economically separate regions, and then report on which has low paying work.
Both are famous for their economic draw to foreigners who flock there to do the actual work btw, but if you are saying that the draw in the Bay Area is jobs that pay anywhere near the scale of the jobs in the Central Valley, then you are simply not being honest with yourself and it is a disservice to your readers.
6000 high paying jobs in Silicon Valley do not replace the hundreds of thousands or even millions (according to the US Chamber of Commerce; not exactly a liberal organization) of high-paying manufacturing and tech jobs that have gone overseas, nationwide. 6000 versus a million is an oasis in a desert.
No, I am saying that 6000 jobs, no matter what they pay, is a drop in the bucket. If you’re contending that Google’s 6000 jobs are not high-paying jobs then that only shows all the more that this “creative destruction” has been entirely about the destruction of good paying jobs and the creation of low paying crap in their place.
In no way can you argue that we have replaced high paying jobs with equally high paying jobs overall. In no way can you ever argue with any credibility that the process of creative destruction, over the last few decades, has given us better paying jobs, or more jobs relative to the population.
How do you feel about all those horse and buggies we no longer make or repair? The Conestoga wagon industry - Are you abotu bringing that back? How about the 10s of thousands of jobs in the CA gold mines of '49 or the probably equally numerous jobs supporting them in CA? Feeling bas about those going away?
Oh I get it, you are selective! Recent industries going away = bad, old industries going away = who cares.
But those old ones were recent too at some point, and the current ones will be old ones soon enough.
In the mean time, if you look back 30-50 years, even in its current state,which is on a cyclical rebound again, the Bay Area has millions of jobs it didn’t have when I was in college and before.
Actually I thought it was you that thinks it might be low paying. BTW, that is but one company and one category of worker. There will be others within google, well paid, and there are are ancillary jobs too. I used to live in downtown Moutnian view, since 92 until about 5 years ago, I consider it my second home town. I am very sensitive to the evidence in town of the economic cycles.
When I get there every couple of months, I can tell that things overall are picking up by the state of retail, the level of traffic, the general spring in everybody’s step. Much of the rest of the places I visit are the same: Campbell, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara…
You are just cherry picking statistics if you think one announcement from google is all that is happening. Office spaces, entire office parks that have sat empty for a decade are starting to fill wherever I drive.
Well, if you look a the Bay Area, and compare it to the Central Valley, whcih was my pint, and which you avoided doing, you would note that 50 years or so ago, the bay Area was as much an agriculture as the Central Valley has ever been. the ag jobs of 50 years ago in the Bay Area have most certainly been replaced, I don’t know the current population, but it is now prbably between 4 and 5 million, none of them working low paying seasonal ag jobs, and all of the high paying jobs, and even the support industries having arisen from the fields of yore.
OTOH, yes, in the Central Valley, ag is still king, and Americans won’t take the harvest jobs, and so we have the worst unemployment (> 20 percent in most places) and the least education in the country. Same as it has always been, it was documented long before we were born by John Steinbeck and Carey McWilliams (whom I am sure you know, right?) as being old and intractable even by the 1930s. Little has changed since then, but if it gives you comfort to know that the fields here are still in America and that no one can pick them from a cubicle in Mumbai, well, OK then.
Just thought you might want to visit these 2 side by side regions so you actually have seen what you speak of instead of simply dreaming about it. Come here and I will help you get a job picking oranges, it will be harvest season for another 2 months or so. What do you have to lose?