# The President Elimination Game

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [September 24, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317 "2009-09-24T01:36:57Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/681 "2009-12-09T00:59:01Z")

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> [@ToeJam](#):
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> Wow, when you put it that way it doesn’t sound so bad at all…
> 
> Are you just choosing to ignore the actions of [CREEP](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_to_Re-elect_the_President)and the tactics of [ratfucking](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti)to win an election? Including such fun tactics as forgery:[Canuck Letter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuck_letter).
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> There was more to Watergate and the Nixon administration than just a single hotel break-in, dude. If you look up “Dirty Tricks” on wikipedia, there’s a reason why the best example they’ve got up there is the Watergate scandal.

I agree Richard Nixon was foolish on his dirty tricks but he unlike JFK never outright stole and faked votes.

Anyways JFK again.

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**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/682 "2009-12-09T02:41:56Z")

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> [@Curtis LeMay](#):
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> I agree Richard Nixon was foolish on his dirty tricks but he unlike JFK never outright stole and faked votes.

Cite for JFK’s involvement in any vote stealing?

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/683 "2009-12-09T10:00:02Z")

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John Quincy Adams. Just for the facial hair, really.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/684 "2009-12-09T17:31:12Z")

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Looking like a total runaway for Adams.

Adams 9  
Arthur 4  
Kennedy 3  
Johnson, Cleveland 1 each

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/685 "2009-12-09T17:34:13Z")

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I’m calling this one early for John Quincy Adams, who has as many votes as all the other candidates combined, which you can’t say for his actual Presidential election.

George Washington (None, 1789-1797)  
Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican, 1801-1809)  
James Monroe (Democratic-Republican, 1817-1825)  
James Polk (Democrat, 1845-1849)  
Abraham Lincoln (Republican, 1861-1865)  
Chester Arthur (Republican, 1881-1885)  
Grover Cleveland (Democrat, 1885-1889, 1893-1897)  
William McKinley (Republican, 1897-1901)  
Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, 1901-1909)  
William Howard Taft (Republican, 1909-1913)  
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat, 1933-1945)  
Harry S. Truman (Democrat, 1945-1953)  
Dwight Eisenhower (Republican, 1953-1961)  
John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Democrat, 1961-1963)  
Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat, 1963-1969)  
William Jefferson Clinton (Democrat, 1993-2001)

Eliminated Presidents:

1. James Buchanan (Democrat, 1857-1861)
2. Franklin Pierce (Democrat, 1853-1857)
3. Andrew Johnson (National Union, 1865-1869)
4. Warren Harding (Republican, 1921-1923)
5. Millard Fillmore (Whig, 1850-1853)
6. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, 1969-1974)
7. Herbert Hoover (Republican, 1929-1933)
8. Ronald Reagan (Republican, 1981-1989)
9. Andrew Jackson (Democrat, 1829-1837)
10. Rutherford Hayes (Republican, 1877-1881)
11. Ulysses Grant (Republican, 1869-1877)
12. John Tyler (Whig, 1841-1845)
13. James Earl Carter (Democrat, 1977-1981)
14. James Madison (Democratic-Republican, 1809-1817)
15. Martin Van Buren (Democrat, 1837-1841)
16. Woodrow Wilson (Democrat, 1913-1921)
17. Calvin Coolidge (Republican, 1923-1929)
18. John Adams (Federalist, 1797-1801)
19. Benjamin Harrison (Republican, 1889-1893)
20. Gerald Ford (Republican, 1974-1977)
21. Zachary Taylor (Whig, 1849-1850)
22. George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican, 1989-1993)
23. John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican, 1825-1829)

Back to John Fitzgerald Kennedy, though I suspect this might be the end of the line for Chester Arthur.

Voting closes at 2 PM on Friday, December 11.

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/686 "2009-12-09T18:15:15Z")

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Chester A. Arthur, mostly because I’m not able to make a value judgment on the imperial practices of McKinley and TR. Kennedy is indeed overrated, he catches far too easy a pass on Vietnam than he deserves, and I won’t be sad to see him go if he does.

Arthur presents as a likable mediocrity. We could certainly do worse than him when electing a president, but he wasn’t outstanding. Unless someone makes a killer case against Taft or Monroe or Cleveland—or even Jefferson—he’s the right guy to go now.

Note that I might VERY EASILY be swayed at this juncture.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/687 "2009-12-09T18:31:39Z")

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Arthur did more good in less than a single term (civil service reform, beginning to rebuild the Navy) than Monroe did in two complete terms. Other than declaring the Monroe Doctrine (which should be largely credited to SecState J.Q. Adams anyway), the fifth President has left few footprints in the sands of history.

Monroe.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/688 "2009-12-09T19:06:47Z")

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JFK!

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**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/689 "2009-12-09T19:25:48Z")

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Chester A Arthur.

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**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/690 "2009-12-09T21:36:59Z")

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Arthur. Arrrrrthuuuuuurrrrr…

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/691 "2009-12-09T21:56:44Z")

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I’m tired of voting for this guy already. Let’s eliminate him so I can be a potential swing vote on some of the tough cuts coming up.

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**Author:** ![Stowed\_Bob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stowed_bob/32/3312_2.png) [@Stowed\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stowed_Bob)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/692 "2009-12-09T22:24:22Z")

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JFK

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**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/693 "2009-12-09T22:59:43Z")

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CAA

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**Author:** ![Makeitstop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@Makeitstop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Makeitstop)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/694 "2009-12-10T00:00:11Z")

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Arthur. A non-entity, and it is time for non-entities to go.

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**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/695 "2009-12-10T02:03:56Z")

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Arthur, but mainly as a pro-JFK vote.

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**Author:** ![gloriye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gloriye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gloriye)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/696 "2009-12-10T02:35:31Z")

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Chester Arthur, again.

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**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/697 "2009-12-10T02:47:45Z")

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John F Kennedy. President Arthur was one of the most morally brave Presidents in American history who defied his own political faction to push ahead civil service reform.

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**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/698 "2009-12-10T08:08:52Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Arthur did more good in less than a single term (civil service reform, beginning to rebuild the Navy) than Monroe did in two complete terms. Other than declaring the Monroe Doctrine (which should be largely credited to SecState J.Q. Adams anyway), the fifth President has left few footprints in the sands of history.
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> Monroe.

I respect Monroe quite a bit, and feel like he took some strong strides towards keeping the country away from the political schism that existed in the years after his presidency (and today), but you really do have a point. Records of his accomplishments in 8 years are sparse, and for a good reason. I’ll probably be voting for him sooner than I’d otherwise planned, now.

JFK, again, even though it seems futile.

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**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/699 "2009-12-10T12:24:01Z")

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I’m joining the game rather late, but I am glad to do what I can to help get rid of good ol’ Chet Arthur.

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**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-elimination-game/511317/700 "2009-12-11T03:46:43Z")

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Kennedy. Bang! Zoom!

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