# The President of Haiti has been shot and killed (July 21, 2021) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 7, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890 "2021-07-07T10:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/1 "2021-07-07T10:32:03Z")
> **[The president of Haiti was assassinated at home](https://www.businessinsider.com/haiti-president-jovonel-moise-killed-2021-7)** > > Jovenel Moïse was killed in his private residence by a group of Spanish-speaking assailants at about 1 a.m. Wednesday, the Haitian government said. - Jovonel Moïse was killed by a group of assailants at his home early Wednesday morning. - The government did not identify the perpetrators, but said they were speaking Spanish. - The first lady was also injured by gunshot. This is just breaking news so not too many details yet. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/2 "2021-07-07T12:57:11Z")
Where was his security detail? Haiti has a troubled past. Wouldn’t there be troops guarding government buildings and residences? > **[List of revolutions and coups d'état in Haiti](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_coups_d%27%C3%A9tat_in_Haiti)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > This article lists successful revolutions and coups d'état that have taken place in the history of Haiti: ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/3 "2021-07-07T13:03:48Z")
According to ABC News, the interim Prime Minister “said the Caribbean country’s national police force and military had the situation under control.” 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/4 "2021-07-07T13:14:38Z")
I’m surprised this isn’t in Politics. I’ll confess I don’t know much about the man or Haiti. Is this a “good thing” i.e. will this been seen in the long run as beneficial to Haiti, or just more murder? ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/5 "2021-07-07T14:41:03Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > According to ABC News, the interim Prime Minister “said the Caribbean country’s national police force and military had the situation under control.” Interesting definition of “under control”. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/6 "2021-07-08T01:44:19Z")
Amnesty International is calling for a full investigation of the shooting, and also, a full investigation of the human rights abuses which occurred during his term of office, which included several delayed elections. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/7 "2021-07-08T02:32:22Z")
It didn’t take long to find suspects. The suspects tokk 3 cops hostage. The foot soldiers have been apprehended, but how about the people who planned and assisted the assassination? > **[At least 1 U.S. citizen arrested in connection to killing of Haitian...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/four-suspects-haiti-assassination-killed-2-arrested-after-president-s-n1273318)** > > President Jovenel Moïse was assassinated Wednesday in what was described as a coordinated attack. His wife was injured and is at a Miami hospital. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/8 "2021-07-08T03:42:44Z")
I just heard on the BBC, and earlier on Rachel Maddow, that few people speak Spanish in Haiti. This may be relevant for reasons we know nothing about, at least not yet. In addition, his wife was medevaced to Miami for further treatment. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/9 "2021-07-08T18:57:10Z")
I just heard Garry Pierre Pierre describe the scene as gruesome. He said the suspects broke the arm and plucked the eyes from the president. I saw some video of the apparent attack where the killers claimed to be DEA. I’m very concerned about the personnel at the Embassy. I understand they’ve been ordered to shelter in place. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/10 "2021-07-08T19:03:39Z")
I wouldn’t be shocked if they were working for someone inside Haiti. The 2 most recent presidential elections did not exactly go smoothly and the government there as whole is “unstable” at best. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/11 "2021-07-08T19:11:57Z")
The Haitian police have arrested two Haitian-Americans in the slaying. > **[2 Haitian Americans detained in slaying of Haiti president](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-caribbean-haiti-health-coronavirus-pandemic-bd1bc9e9e87247f1267d2c97c6ce94f4?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=July8_MorningWire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers)** > > PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — Two men believed to be Haitian Americans — one of them purportedly a former bodyguard at the Canadian Embassy in Port au Prince — have been arrested in connection with the assassination of Haiti’s president, Haitian... I read somewhere that four mercenaries were killed as well. > **[Haiti police battle gunmen who killed president, amid fears of chaos](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/haitian-president-shot-dead-home-overnight-pm-2021-07-07/)** > > Haiti's security forces were locked in a fierce gun battle on Wednesday with assailants who assassinated President Jovenel Moise at his home overnight, plunging the already impoverished, violence-wracked nation deeper into chaos. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/12 "2021-07-08T19:20:35Z")
I don’t claim to have any _real_ understanding of what actually goes on in my native/home country (USA), and sure as hell wouldn’t claim to have even a cursory understanding of the geopolitics of a place like Haiti, but … It’s hard for me to imagine that this story doesn’t play at least some part in all of this: > **[Why a Venezuelan Oil Program Is Fueling Massive Street Protests in Haiti](https://time.com/5609054/haiti-protests-petrocaribe/)** > > Billions is allegedly missing related to a program called PetroCaribe > **[The Last Stand For Haiti’s Oligarchs?](https://haitiantimes.com/2020/11/18/the-last-stand-for-haitis-oligarchs/)** > > Recent reports from the Haitian Anti-Corruption Unit have detailed cases whereby US$194 million was stolen from the Haitian government by corrupt ‘oligarchs’ overcharging the state for oil. As disclosed in the reports, seven million gallons of... Follow the money, right ? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/13 "2021-07-09T06:21:55Z")
> **[Haiti president assassination: 26 Colombians, two US-Haitians took part in...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/haiti-police-say-26-colombians-two-us-haitians-took-part-in-jovenel-moise-assassination-president)** > > Seventeen captured men paraded in front of journalists, as police chief says another three were killed and eight remain on the run I wonder who paid them? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/14 "2021-07-10T23:42:07Z")
I had heard that he was tortured but couldn’t find any details beyond that. Egads. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/15 "2021-12-12T21:48:56Z")
It wasn’t clear at the time who was behind it, but now: > **[Haiti’s Leader Kept a List of Drug Traffickers. His Assassins Came for It....](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/world/americas/jovenel-moise-haiti-president-drug-traffickers.html)** > > In the months before his murder, President Jovenel Moïse took a number of steps to fight drug and arms smugglers. Some officials now fear he was killed for it. or if you have paywall issues: [https://archive.md/WJ9rn](https://archive.md/WJ9rn) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/16 "2021-12-13T02:05:00Z")
Jeez, I saw this thread and thought “what, again?” ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-president-of-haiti-has-been-shot-and-killed-july-21-2021/945890/17 "2023-06-02T23:33:23Z")
> **[Mastermind of assassination of Haiti president sentenced to life by US court](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/02/haiti-president-assassination-rodolphe-jaar-life-sentence)** > > Rodolphe Jaar, a Haitian-Chilean businessman, conspired with Colombian mercenaries, to kill Jovenel Moïse in 2021