# The Presidential Helicopter and the I-35 Bridge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2007, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465 "2007-08-04T23:54:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/21 "2007-08-05T02:53:42Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] I think you meant the OP, which was devoid of facts, logic, or substance, unless you count “Bush sucks” as meaning anything. [/QUOTE] BTW, I don’t recall seeing “Bush sucks” anywhere in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![usar\_jag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f0a364/32.png) [@usar\_jag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usar_jag)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/22 "2007-08-05T03:04:53Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Also, there _may_ only be one Air Force One (officially there’s only the one, but who knows?), but there’s _multiple_ helicopters and limos which will have the designation Marine One and Limo One. Proof of this lies in the fact that the President will take Marine One to Air Force One and then fly to another country, where Marine One will be waiting for him. How’d it get there? Air Force One flys _faster_ and has a much greater range than Marine One does. They certainly don’t stuff Marine One inside of Air Force One (that’s where Limo One goes). So, obviously, there _has_ to be more than one Presidential chopper. [/QUOTE] I had a relative that flew and commanded HMX-1 during Bush I and Clinton. Yes, there are multiple helicopters in the squadron. I believe there are a total of 23. The helicopters do not go with the President on every trip, but when they do, they are typically staged 1-2 days in advance. As an aside, whenever the President travels in a military aircraft, the flight designation automatically becomes [Branch of Service] One. When the VP flies, the aircraft designation is [Branch of Service] Two. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/23 "2007-08-05T03:09:24Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] **Tuckerfan** , and others, added content both pro and con to this conversation which might give **Spavined Gelding** something to think about. You added the standard leetspeak and bumper sticker response which involves no thinking whatsoever. [/QUOTE] What “pro” content can there possibly be to this conversation? For obvious security reasons, the President flies on Marine One, not the ABC News Chopper-7. What was the reason for the OP, other than a mindless Bush-Bash, and why do you seem to condone it? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/24 "2007-08-05T03:09:30Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] **Tuckerfan** , and others, added content both pro and con to this conversation which might give **Spavined Gelding** something to think about. You added the standard leetspeak and bumper sticker response which involves no thinking whatsoever. [/QUOTE] You know, **Czarcasm** , if you’re going to be dynamiting puppies in a barrel, you could at least tip the barrel over first. More sporting that way. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/25 "2007-08-05T03:17:27Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] What “pro” content can there possibly be to this conversation? For obvious security reasons, the President flies on Marine One, not the ABC News Chopper-7. What was the reason for the OP, other than a mindless Bush-Bash, and why do you seem to condone it? [/QUOTE] As common as such “Bush sucks” threads are around here, I thought the OP did a good job of keeping this about the president, and not about Bush. You jumped the gun on this one. Of course these presidential visits are kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t thing. People are going to bitch if he does go and others are going to bitch if he doesn’t. I guess it’s just kind of one of those things you just have to do as mayor/governor/president. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/26 "2007-08-05T03:26:48Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] As common as such “Bush sucks” threads are around here, I thought the OP did a good job of keeping this about the president, and not about Bush. You jumped the gun on this one. [/QUOTE] You know, I think you’re right, I did jump the gun. My apologies, everyone. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/27 "2007-08-05T03:36:21Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] You know, I think you’re right, I did jump the gun. My apologies, everyone. [/QUOTE] Don’t make a habit of apologizing. If you do it every time you act like an idiot on this board, it will exactly double your post count. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/28 "2007-08-05T03:43:13Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Don’t make a habit of apologizing. If you do it every time you act like an idiot on this board, it will exactly double your post count. [/QUOTE] Now, that was a bit harsh, don’t you think? **Carol** admitted that she’d jumped the gun and apologized. Would that _every_ Doper did this when they got called out for doing something similar. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/29 "2007-08-05T03:46:13Z")
Just so. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/30 "2007-08-05T03:55:35Z")
Speaking of cheap shots… Anyway, it’s not even strictly accurate. She can get quite a few posts in on a single thread. It would be kind of churlish to insist on (or even expect) a separate apology for each one. ETA: P.S. Bush sucks Well, he DOES. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/31 "2007-08-05T04:06:36Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Now, that was a bit harsh, don’t you think? **Carol** admitted that she’d jumped the gun and apologized. Would that _every_ Doper did this when they got called out for doing something similar. [/QUOTE] Hey, a stopped clock is right twice a day, too. If she hadn’t spent the vast majority of her existence on this board being an unmitigated asshole, i wouldn’t have even thought to comment. But she has, so i did. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/32 "2007-08-05T04:12:20Z")
Just think of her as a transgendered **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/33 "2007-08-05T04:23:22Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] While _The Usual Suspects_ was a damn fine movie, I find it to be a cheap shot when used in this context. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation, and it looks like you are parroting the last bumper sticker you passed on the freeway. [/QUOTE] How do you know **Carol Stream** didn’t use the term “Usual suspects” the way Claude Rains used it in _Casablanca?_: “Round up the usual suspects.” That’s the way I read it. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/34 "2007-08-05T04:24:54Z")
[QUOTE=cochrane] How do you know **Carol Stream** didn’t use the term “Usual suspects” the way Claude Rains used it in _Casablanca?_: “Round up the usual suspects.” That’s the way I read it. [/QUOTE] I think you’ll find that **Czarcasm** was actually living up to his name. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/35 "2007-08-05T04:27:35Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Hey, a stopped clock is right twice a day, too. If she hadn’t spent the vast majority of her existence on this board being an unmitigated asshole, i wouldn’t have even thought to comment. But she has, so i did. [/QUOTE] So, by being an asshole back, that makes you better than her, _how?_ God fucking _damn_! One of the _biggest_ things _ **wrong** _ with this country right now is that there’s fucktards in _both_ political parties who refuse to concede that they’re wrong about something, no matter how much evidence is presented before them. Why the _fuck_ do you not only have to perpetuate that _here_ but be unrepentant about it? How the _fuck_ do you expect people like **Carol** to concede the point when they’ve been proven wrong if you jump their shit? Put down Tom DeLay’s playbook, would ya? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/36 "2007-08-05T04:33:29Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] So, by being an asshole back, that makes you better than her, _how?_ God fucking _damn_! One of the _biggest_ things _ **wrong** _ with this country right now is that there’s fucktards in _both_ political parties who refuse to concede that they’re wrong about something, no matter how much evidence is presented before them. Why the _fuck_ do you not only have to perpetuate that _here_ but be unrepentant about it? How the _fuck_ do you expect people like **Carol** to concede the point when they’ve been proven wrong if you jump their shit? Put down Tom DeLay’s playbook, would ya? [/QUOTE] Blow it out your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/37 "2007-08-05T04:48:02Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Blow it out your ass. [/QUOTE] Thus proving that you are _exactly_ the same kind of fuckwit you believe **Carol** to be. If **Carol** ’s as bad as you say she is, and from what I’ve seen, she is, there will be _ample_ opportunities for you to jump her shit with a valid reason. That, however, is apparently _not_ good enough for you. You’ve got to jump her shit whenever you see a post by her. What a _senseless_ waste of human life you are. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/38 "2007-08-05T04:51:00Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Hey, a stopped clock is right twice a day, too. [/QUOTE] Not if it’s military. 😛 > **[24-hour analog dial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_hour_analog_dial)** > > Clocks and watches with a 24-hour analog dial have an hour hand that makes one complete revolution—360°—in a full day, or 24 hours per revolution. In contrast, the more familiar 12-hour analog dial has an hour hand that completes two revolutions per day, or 12 hours per revolution. Twenty-four-hour analog clocks and watches are commonly used by logistics workers, firefighters, police officers, paramedics, nurses, pilots, scientists, and military personnel. They are often preferred because they pr... ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/39 "2007-08-05T04:59:45Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] It crossed my mind that the 133rd Airlift Wing of the Minnesota AIr National Guard might have something he could borrow. [/QUOTE] No, that unit operates only the C-130 Hercules Transport planes. Eight of them. No helicopters at all. See [a photo of a C-130 here](http://www.mnstpa.ang.af.mil/images/130FactSheet.jpg). I suppose they could put Bush in one and fly him over the site. They can go a bit lower and a bit slower than AF1. But still, cruising by at 200mi/hr or so wouldn’t do much. And they really don’t have much in the way of windows except for the pilots. (Of course, since most of that unit just got back from Bush’s war in Iraq, where their tour of duty got extended 3 different times, the Secret Service probably wants to keep Bush away from them. They might say things that he doesn’t want to hear.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2007, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465/40 "2007-08-05T05:02:26Z")
While I’m generally in support of your scold of **mhendo** , **Tuckerfan** , I must confess to being confused by the reference to the Tom DeLay playbook. When was DeLay ever right enough about something to be in a position to jump someone’s shit after they conceded error? Or is it just about kicking someone when they’re down? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-presidential-helicopter-and-the-i-35-bridge/414465.md?page=3)