# The Prince of Darkness Calls for an End to All Evil, and Maybe France. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269 "2004-01-02T12:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/41 "2004-01-09T02:04:28Z")
What really cracks me up is that Perle is known to vacation in France. ---
**Author:** ![spogga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ab097/32.png) [@spogga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spogga)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/42 "2004-01-09T16:22:52Z")
\*\* Elucidator \*\* Hey what’s with the used to be Great Britain. We still are ol’ pal, the “Great” refers to the Union of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and not as many people think because we had an E-N-O-R-M-O-U-S empire on which the sun never set. We also used to rule you Yanks until you got upset about the price of tea 🙂 Any more of it and we burn the White House again…OK? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/43 "2004-01-09T16:43:12Z")
So because France didn’t jump on board for the war these wankers are calling them possible enemies? France a member of NATO, an ally in Gulf 1 and Afghanistan. Treating France like an enemy would be silly to the extreme. It could have implications with business between the US and the EU. Then again what should I expect from Perle and his neocon buddies. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/44 "2004-01-09T16:49:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spogga \* > \*\*\*\* Any more of it and we burn the White House again…OK? \*\* I know a bunch of badly informed canucks that would like to keep that bit. Do you mind? It’ll make my life easier. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/45 "2004-01-09T16:50:33Z")
If Perle weren’t one of the Vulcans with a grip on the PotUS’s ear this sortof shit’d be humorous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/46 "2004-01-09T17:48:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spogga \* > \*\*…Any more of it and we burn the White House again…OK? \*\* Any more shit out of you and we raise your rent. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/47 "2004-01-09T22:03:45Z")
Perle said that we need to be able to strike first if an enemy initiates a war. Three words: doublethink ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/48 "2004-01-10T00:11:45Z")
Oh this is rich: [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040109/pl\_afp/us\_iraq\_weapons\_defense\_040109212053](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040109/pl_afp/us_iraq_weapons_defense_040109212053) > [@](#): > > “I don’t think you can draw any conclusions from the fact the stockpiles were not found,” Pentagon advisor Richard Perle said at the American Enterprise Institute. Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes? > [@](#): > > “Sometimes the right answer, when a person has a grievance against you, is to say: ‘You’re completely mistaken; that grievance comes out of a completely wrong way of looking at the world and you’re just going to have to get over it’,” Frum said. Good advice! From now on when someone tells me I hate America because I didn’t support the Iraq war because no compelling evidence was presented that Iraq was a threat to the United States and it turned out that the weapons of mass destruction existed only in the heads of imperialst fuckers like Perle and Frum, I’ll just say “You’re completely mistaken; that grievance comes out of a completely wrong way of looking at the world, and you’re just going to have to get over it.” ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/49 "2004-01-10T02:08:50Z")
If the Foreign Minister of France is any indication, some Frenchies would be very disappointed if we did not consider them an enemy. They try as hard as they can. This reductio ad absurdum to the entire Iraq war being predicated on finding stockpiles of WMDs would be funny if people were not so serious. WMDs were trotted in front of the UN for international support. Per leftist thought, the war was actually planned for other reasons years before that. Get your stories straight, people! ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/50 "2004-01-10T03:45:05Z")
**Beagle** , you’re completely mistaken; that grievance comes out of a completely wrong way of looking at the world, and you’re just going to have to get over it. Also, 10 yard penalty and a down for gratuitous use of Latin. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/51 "2004-01-10T16:17:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\* > This reductio ad absurdum to the entire Iraq war being predicated on finding stockpiles of WMDs would be funny if people were not so serious. > \*\* Since we’re not the UN’s lapdog nor the policeman of the world, our interest in the Iraq invasion was prediacted on the idea of a threat to the US from Iraq. The threat to the US from Iraq was predicated on Iraq’s transfer of banned weapons to international terrorists for use against the US. The Bush Amdin said, on more than one occasion, that there was _certainty_ that these banned weapons and banned weaons programs existed. Since the intel agencies said that an attack on the US from Iraq was unlikely in the forseeable future, what was left was the possibility that the American intel assessment was wrong and that these banned weapons might be used anyway. If the weapons aren’t found, (I think they _will_ be found), then there’s no likelihood of an attack and nothing to attack with. Thus the only remaining justification for invasion would the violation of UNSC resolutions. _That_, is the UNSC’s problem, _not_ the US’s. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\* > WMDs were trotted in front of the UN for international support. Per leftist thought, the war was actually planned for other reasons years before that. Get your stories straight, people! > \*\* It seems you’re _trying_ to imply a contradiction heresomewhere. It didn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/52 "2004-03-13T02:27:52Z")
Here’s some [Liberal](http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/8157179.htm?1c)’s book review: > [@](#): > > **Islamism won’t destroy us** > > [The book] “opens on a note of hysteria.” In the War on Terror, writes Perle, “There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory of holocaust.” What is new since 9-11 “is the chilling realization that the terrorist threat we thought we had contained” now menaces “our survival as a nation.” > > Are we really in imminent peril of a holocaust like that visited upon the Jews of Poland? > > In 25 years, militant Islam has seized three countries: Iran, Sudan and Afghanistan. We toppled the Taliban almost without losing a man. Sudan is a failed state. In Iran, a generation has grown up that knows nothing of Savak or the Great Satan but enough about the mullahs to have rejected them in back-to-back landslides. …Wherever Islamism takes power, it fails. Like Marxism, it does not work. > > Taken together, all 22 Arab nations do not have the GDP of Spain. Without oil, their exports are the size of Finland’s. Not one Arab nation can stand up to Israel, let alone the United States… Some pretty fair points, (for a Liberal 😉 ). ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-prince-of-darkness-calls-for-an-end-to-all-evil-and-maybe-france/222269/53 "2004-03-13T03:09:06Z")
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