I for one would like to see something better than a Wiki citation for this. Not saying it didn’t happen, but this could also be a total fabrication to help justify the internment. Oddly enough, Americans of German or Italian decent were not rounded up en masse and sent to internment camps.
I grew up with 2nd and 3rd generation Japanese Americans that did time in Tule Lake internment camp. That, like all the internment camps I’m aware of, was in a godawful place.
More oddly, about 99% of Japanese Americans in Hawaii were NOT interned for the war.
I’ve received little support in this thread, so Thank you for providing examples that support Traub and myself, msmith537 !
I’ve already mentioned that the Cold War helped unify the U.S. I’m not sure what the Bay of Pigs means to you, but incompetence has little to do with the problems Traub discusses. Nixon was a criminal but, unlike almost every high official under Trump, personal greed wasn’t his motive. And which conspiracy theory are we touting if JFK’s assassination was something other than an aberration?
I don’t recall many of America’s racists openly celebrating the assassination of Martin Luther King, but when a racist recently murdered an anti-racism protester in Charlottesville, the incumbent President of the U.S.A. chose words that effectively defended the murderer!
The part I highlighted in magenta, that wasn’t really what I meant, even though it looks like it. The article struck me as trying to shift the blame from conservatives to everyone else with the insincere sentiments I expressed in my post. Bluntly, the message I took away from the article was this; “Sure we’re{conservatives} to blame, but hey there’s a little trump in all of us so we’re all to blame really”. As far as the quotes out of context, I (as of this moment) don’t know the context. I don’t know what or where the conversation was about, who else was party to the conversation, what else was said as part of it etc. Sure I could look it up pretty easily, but why didn’t the author at least tell us what topic was being discussed in the sources of his quotes? Actually, I take that back in part, as the Buchanan quote is sourced to the republican national convention of a quarter of a century ago. But what about the Gingrich quote? When did Newt Gingrich say that, where, and who else was party to the conversation? What was said before and after Gringrich spoke? Was it at the same convention as Buchanan? Was it in a session of Congress? Before he was Speaker of The House? The article isn’t clear. Either way, the entire tone of the article seems to me to be one of false sentiment and an attempt to divert at least some of the blame away from those who voted for and support(ed) trump.
Do you think Traub is a “conservative”? Even my brief excerpt has his “I certainly didn’t vote for Ronald Reagan.” Do you think he’s lying? Traub may not be a rabid progressive: he’s a well-informed and erudite left-of-center thinker; we could use more like him.
And Google is your friend! The Gingrich quote comes from his speech at the 1992 GOP convention in which he said “the Democratic Party … despises the values of the American people.” I wonder how you think “multicultural nihilistic hedonism” was taken out of context? From a party game titled “Come up with a multisyllabic phrase that drunken right-wing sophomores might utter”?
I don’t know, and I don’t really care if he is conservative or not. I’ve never heard of him before. His style of writing in this article is the style I used in high school when trying to fluff the word count of an essay or trying to make it seem like I was saying something in the essay about whatever the topic was without doing any real work.
Something to mull over, take “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” and see it side to side with, for example post #8 were Hari Seldon berates people for voting against their own self interest.
Which one is it? Is it noble to act in a way contrary to one’s self interest for the sake of one’s values or those who do this are stupid?
Perhaps Hari Seldon didn’t consider that as a possibility, that some of those people know they’d be better off by voting to get stuff from the government, but their moral conviction is that they shouldn’t. I’m pretty sure that if, for instance, you ask people who oppose populism they’d tell you they are perfectly aware that they could benefit from it but are against it on philosophical grounds.
Or just call them stupid, bigoted, racist, etc… I’m sure that would endear them to one’s own view of the world.
Putting a racist, bigoted, misogynistic asshole in the white house was for their own self interests in a way. The leader of the country now supports their ideology. Never mind food, science and education. That’s for those smarty pants libruls. And it’s a bonus to them to piss off the ‘opposition’.
Does 11,507 German-Americans count as “en masse”? The problem with rounding up all the Germans and Italians was that there were so damn many of them. But yeah, racial attitudes probably had a lot to do with the Japanese internment, too.
Wiki is simply a good starting place for information. The wrecked Mitsubishi A6M2 is presently on display at the Pacific Aviation Museum on Ford Island, Hawaii, and two Hawaiians recieved medals for their actions. Someone even wrote a song about the incident.
*ROBINSON FAMILY VISITS NI’IHAU EXHIBIT AT PACIFIC AVIATION MUSEUM
Members of the Robinson family, owners of the Ni’ihau island of Hawaii, participated in a private tour of the Pacific Aviation Museum on Ford Island on June 19.
The family viewed several of the exhibits, including a Battle of Ni’ihau exhibit featuring the remains of the Japanese Zero which crash-landed on the island immediately following the attack of Pearl Harbor.*
Howard Kaleohano and Ben Kanahele became celebrities of a sort. The army decorated Kaleohano with the Medal of Freedom and awarded Ben Kanahele the Medal of Merit and Purple Heart.*
*They Couldn’t Take Ni`ihau No-how
Words & Music by R. Alex Anderson
Chorus:
So they couldn’t take Niihau no-how with the Ben Kaneheles around The Jap was a sap to think it a snap When he set his airplane down So they couldn't take Niihau no-how
When big Kanehele said “pau!”
He made a grand slam for his Uncle Sam and
They couldn’t take Ni`ihau no-how*
Yes, Trump is loathsome but, again, he didn’t invoke the Trillion Dollar Tax Heist via executive order. Fifty-one GOP Senators voted for it. Every GOP Senator except one voted to confirm Pruitt. All but two voted to confirm DeVos. Trump probably needs help just to change his diapers; Pence and Ryan are running much of the show.
It is the present-day Republican Party which is especially loathsome and demands our hatred. Donald Trump is just the comic relief.
