# The Problems With Liberalism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 19, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341 "2009-10-19T15:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/101 "2009-10-21T13:19:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And why shouldn’t they? They disagree with it, and conservatism is simply vile. > Considering that would mean that there’s no such thing as conservatives or liberals, no. And at any rate, they act quite a bit different; liberals naturally being both more rational and more moral. Not that either is very difficult, considering just how low conservatism has sunk on both those scales. > > It is kind of amusing how more and more conservatives are pushed into making unfounded claims that “the other side is just as bad!”. Practically an admission that their side has nothing to recommend it. Man you are just like a joke of a person huh. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/102 "2009-10-21T13:23:59Z")
> [@Eternal](#): > > Man you are just like a joke of a person huh. Ah, a dazzling riposte. ---
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/103 "2009-10-21T13:32:51Z")
Riposte? I don’t know what that means at all. I’m not some kind of college freshman just discovering politics here. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/104 "2009-10-21T14:57:56Z")
How about discovering a dictionary? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/105 "2009-10-21T15:06:11Z")
See, an ordinary posts is just a “post”. But if you rip into somebody with it, its a “riposte”. Glad to help. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/106 "2009-10-21T15:34:23Z")
> [@Eternal](#): > > Man you are just like a joke of a person huh. Not a very funny one. The problem is, he really means it - he really does hate everyone as much as that. Poor bastard. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/107 "2009-10-21T16:27:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not a very funny one. The problem is, he really means it - he really does hate everyone as much as that. > > Poor bastard. > > Regards, > Shodan Not everyone. Just knuckle-dragging shitbirds like you. At least Der thinks about his opinions. You simply vacantly parrot the party line. I suspect you might be a monkey or lemur brought up to near sentience by superscience electrodes implanted in your skull. I tell you what, when next time MAN WITH BANANA come to cage. Tell him change IDEOLOGY TAPE, kay? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/108 "2009-10-21T16:32:21Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Not everyone. Just knuckle-dragging shitbirds like you. At least Der thinks about his opinions. You simply vacantly parrot the party line. I suspect you might be a monkey or lemur brought up to near sentience by superscience electrodes implanted in your skull. > > I tell you what, when next time MAN WITH BANANA come to cage. Tell him change IDEOLOGY TAPE, kay? This thread has just become hilarious. Mr. ‘I don’t need to read the bible to know what it says.’, thinks about his opinions? Funny how I was kind of finding my sympathies lying with **Der Trihs** until you had to come in and defend him. Keep the comedy coming! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/109 "2009-10-21T16:51:01Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > This thread has just become hilarious. > > Mr. ‘I don’t need to read the bible to know what it says.’, thinks about his opinions? > > Funny how I was kind of finding my sympathies lying with **Der Trihs** until you had to come in and defend him. > > Keep the comedy coming! Funny how you’re so pliant that your opinions are formed based on coalitions. Maybe you need a nice \*shiatsu \*or perhaps a Scientology auditing? Maybe you could have a witchdoctor check you over for negative spirits? I mean you believe all that silly bullshit, right? Also, one doesn’t have to read the bible to know how Christians, especially Evangelicals act. Oook! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/110 "2009-10-21T16:55:41Z")
> [@Eternal](#): > > Riposte? I don’t know what that means at all. I’m not some kind of college freshman just discovering politics here. It’s a fencing term for the attack that follows a parry. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/111 "2009-10-21T17:01:12Z")
The problem is, [SA is a dedicated and committed liar](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11449926&postcount=129) and when caught in his lies will generally try to change the subject or claim that he’s “very busy” (and then respond a bunch more to the thread while ignoring any refutations). His latest schtick has been that if you have a detailed, cite-laden refutation that debunks his idiocy, that it’s “TLDR” and [he’ll just repeat his claims again at some point.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11335636&postcount=200) I used to think he was just missing some critical point that could be explained to him, but really, he does it on purpose.He’s a hate filled bigot who is enraged by his political opponents so he has crafted a bizarre worldview whereby they’re guilty of every crime he can think of. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/112 "2009-10-21T17:02:18Z")
“Spin! Parry! Thrust! Riposte!” _Sprooooing!_ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/113 "2009-10-21T17:32:21Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Not everyone. Just knuckle-dragging shitbirds like you. At least Der thinks about his opinions. The fact that you consider his hate-spew as being thought out tells us a great deal about what goes on in your head. Or doesn’t, as the case may be. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/114 "2009-10-21T17:44:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The fact that you consider his hate-spew as being thought out tells us a great deal about what goes on in your head. Or doesn’t, as the case may be. > > Regards, > Shodan Says the reflexively hateful cauldron of smegma. You don’t even know why you hate liberals. You’re just a brainless fan. At least SA has developed a mythology for why liberals are bad. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/115 "2009-10-21T17:51:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Funny how you’re so pliant that your opinions are formed based on coalitions. Well you just reinforced my natural antipathy to **Der Trihs**. I find him to be mildly distasteful but I positively HATE _you_. > [@](#): > > Maybe you need a nice \*shiatsu \*or perhaps a Scientology auditing? Maybe you could have a witchdoctor check you over for negative spirits? I mean you believe all that silly bullshit, right? I can’t even come up with a come back to this one. It’s uninspiringly not funny. > [@](#): > > Also, one doesn’t have to read the bible to know how Christians, especially Evangelicals act. Does this truism have a point behind it? > [@](#): > > Oook! 😃 This onomatopoeia is the funniest part of your post. We’ve gotta get **Vinyl Turnip** in here to help you out. At least HE is funny. Come on do better. I guess I should’ve kept my fucking mouth shut because you’re only funny unintentionally. 😃 **Eternal** was doing a good job of coming across as a stupid douchebag with his _riposte_ riposte, but you had to go and ruin it with **Der Trihs** as rational actor comedy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/116 "2009-10-21T17:52:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Spin! Parry! Thrust! Riposte!” _Sprooooing!_ Could you riposte this? The formatting did something strange and I couldn’t read it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/117 "2009-10-21T17:53:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > The problem is, [SA is a dedicated and committed liar](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11449926&postcount=129) and when caught in his lies will generally try to change the subject or claim that he’s “very busy” (and then respond a bunch more to the thread while ignoring any refutations). His latest schtick has been that if you have a detailed, cite-laden refutation that debunks his idiocy, that it’s “TLDR” and [he’ll just repeat his claims again at some point.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11335636&postcount=200) > > I used to think he was just missing some critical point that could be explained to him, but really, he does it on purpose.He’s a hate filled bigot who is enraged by his political opponents so he has crafted a bizarre worldview whereby they’re guilty of every crime he can think of. Razor propaganda. Of course, anyone who doesn’t agree with the Razor byline is lying. At least the Goons don’t take themselves so seriously! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/118 "2009-10-21T17:55:27Z")
Heh heh heh. The irony! It burns! This thread started (I think?) complaining about the evil and uncivil (rude and insulting) librals. Now, what’s going on? Everone is turning nasty. Guess it just goes to show you, being “uncivil” has shit to do with political or economic or philosophical leanings. Neither side has cornered the market on politeness OR douchebaggery. ---
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/119 "2009-10-21T17:58:30Z")
I cornered the market on yo momma ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341/120 "2009-10-21T18:25:19Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Could you riposte this? The formatting did something strange and I couldn’t read it. 😛 Think Daffy Duck as Robin Hood. It’ll come to you. You woulda got it right away, if you remember I go for the sophisticated stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-problems-with-liberalism/514341.md?page=7)