# The propaganda around the Russian ship Moskva **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [April 14, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833 "2022-04-14T18:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/21 "2022-04-14T20:20:00Z")
This is certainly good news. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/22 "2022-04-14T20:25:11Z")
You mean [Mos **cow** Mitch](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00107russian~roulette.html) doesn’t go _Moo!_? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/23 "2022-04-14T20:33:57Z")
I’m surprised the Russians haven’t blamed NATO for shooting the missiles yet. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/24 "2022-04-14T20:38:48Z")
They would have to shoot back. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/25 "2022-04-14T20:39:30Z")
Your right. They may keep that specific lie in their pocket for later, though. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/26 "2022-04-14T20:39:35Z")
The best story I’ve seen so far is Russia is claiming total success in converting its cruiser _Moskva_ into a submarine. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/27 "2022-04-14T20:43:44Z")
They could go for just saying that the ship is still in fine condition and serving admirably in its mission, and that its supposed sinking is Fake News. I mean, if you’re going to lie anyway. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/28 "2022-04-14T20:51:11Z")
The cruiser was not lost, it got promoted to submarine. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/29 "2022-04-14T20:57:15Z")
[It dived out in an off-design mode.](https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?33644-Russia-s-Only-Aircraft-Carrier-Damaged-by-Sinking-Dry-Dock) ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/30 "2022-04-14T20:58:20Z")
Promoted _downwards_? 🤨 I call that demoted. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/31 "2022-04-14T21:26:22Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > according to the Russian Defence Ministry the Moskva sank while being ‘towed in a storm’. The weather started getting rough, The tiny ship was tossed, If not for the courage of the fearless crew The Moskva would be lost, the Moskva would be lost. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/32 "2022-04-14T21:42:46Z")
Brilliant [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQSg0cPX0AUQLdk?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQSg0cPX0AUQLdk?format=jpg&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/33 "2022-04-14T22:00:53Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The weather started getting rough, > The tiny ship was tossed, > If not for the courage of the fearless crew > The Moskva would be lost, the Moskva would be lost. Is Putin Mr. Howell or The Skipper? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/34 "2022-04-14T22:04:49Z")
Based on how much he’s screwed this invasion up already, I’d say Gilligan. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/35 "2022-04-14T22:18:45Z")
Nah, that’s this guy: > **[New York Press News | Latest News Headlines](https://nypressnews.com)** > > New York Press News | Breaking, Latest and Current news from NYPressNews.com. Health ,Entertainment, Politics, Business,Education, Science, Auto USA Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/36 "2022-04-14T22:39:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > > > according to the Russian Defence Ministry the Moskva sank while being ‘towed in a storm’. > > The weather started getting rough, > The tiny ship was tossed, > If not for the courage of the fearless crew > The Moskva would be lost, the Moskva would be lost. AIUI, they’d have made Whitefish Bay if they’d put 15 more miles behind her. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/37 "2022-04-14T22:47:07Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > My question is, if it actually was a missile, how is claiming that it was just an accidental fire good propaganda for Russia? Missiles are for _real_ wars. This is a _special action_. Ships don’t get attacked in special actions; they have accidents. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/38 "2022-04-15T00:10:24Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > So you think “we may as well just tell the truth, because they probably wouldn’t believe us anyway” is a likely way for the Russians (or anyone) to proceed? - I don’t know. I’m not an expert on propaganda, which is pretty much why I started the thread. But telling the Ukrainians that their (the Russians) are prone to spontaneous maritime combustion seems counterproductive as well. At least, that’s my hypothesis. Obviously, you have your own. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/39 "2022-04-15T00:24:07Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I guess my thinking is “This is war and those damn Ukrainians hit our flagship! Remember the Moskva!!” is much better for propaganda purposes than “Shit happens.” To understand why this doesn’t work, you have to understand that Russians consider Ukrainians to be inferior, stupid, really almost subhuman. That’s how they sold the war… the brave Russian soldiers would quickly conquer this child-race of simpletons and restore them to vassal status, as is fated. Russia can’t give Ukraine _any_ credit whatsoever as a worthy adversary, because when they start doing that, the tapestry of lies begins to unravel. This is why Putin can’t even attend a peace negotiation with Zelensky. It would be like Trump sitting down to talk terms with Ilhan Omar after all the racist xenophobic stuff he’s said about her. So, needless to say, Russia will tell any lie to protect its ego and pretend Ukraine isn’t spanking their bottom like an unruly schoolboy. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833/40 "2022-04-15T00:26:36Z")
Thank you for that insight. I had no idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-propaganda-around-the-russian-ship-moskva/962833.md?page=3)