# The Racist is back to defend himself... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2002, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329 "2002-04-07T16:58:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2002, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/41 "2002-04-07T23:39:36Z")
An email to **Guin** from someone who agrees with you is no proof in my book. Please provide us with some links to specific instances (other than on this board, which is impossible) where she makes libelous claims about you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/42 "2002-04-08T00:28:19Z")
[HERE](http://www.africancrisis.org/cgi-bin/GuestbookG.asp) is **Jan** ’s guestbook, where I admit I let my anger get the better of me… Lydia sent the same e-mail to me. :rolleyes: HERE is what I said: > [@](#): > > You sir, are a racist. I am appalled and disgusted with the blatant racism, anti-semitism and downright filth on this page. > > You call yourself a Christian? Please. Decent Christians everywhere are appalled by people like you-you give the rest of us a bad name. Good lord! You find much worse than that raiding through GD everyday! BTW, **Jan** , I have saved some of the comments you made in regards to women and men and the differences in both. I don’t know if I should post them, as they’re no longer available at LAF and I only have them saved. I hesitate, for fear you may deny you said them. :wally Such as implying that men are more likely to be geniuses than women-women’s intelligence is more evenly spread out. That genius is exclusively male, and that women are inferior. Not to mention your posts about how the white race is being polluted by being mixed with the black-unfortunately, I cannot prove this, as the posts are gone and I didn’t save those. _sigh_ Ignorance, folks, is like the Energizer Bunny…it just keeps going and going and going… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![king\_of\_spain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/43 "2002-04-08T00:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by janl \* > \*\* > From: Lydia R Sherman \<[mornington@juno.com](mailto:mornington@juno.com)\> > Your spreading lies about him is totally…unfeminine._\* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is all. Carry on. ( **Guin** , I’d jump in to defend you, but I have full confidence in your ability to handle this :wally .) ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/44 "2002-04-08T01:00:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by janl \* > \*\*Here is an e-mail from one of my supporters, complete with her e-mail address (to check with her), regarding the slander campaign waged against me by Kathi. > \*\* (letter snipped for brevity) You almost had me supporting your arguments somewhat until you quoted this letter - if that’s your idea of solid, hard-hitting support, you’re not exactly making a case for yourself that you have well-researched and sensible arguments on your site. Oh, and two things: 1. See the Quote button under the right-hand corner of each post? If you’re going to quote people, use it. It’s way easier to read than the brackets you’re using and allows you to include the poster’s name. 2. Slander is **oral** communication of false statements about someone, intended to harm their reputation. The word that you’re looking for is **libel**. ---
**Author:** ![Hemlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Hemlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hemlock)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/45 "2002-04-08T01:40:43Z")
It’s a pity the original thread on the subject of JanL’s website is kaput. I had an email from Jan in early February after I made a post. The site (and perhaps Jan himself) probably comes across as politically incorrect to some regular Dopers, who are accustomed to talking about issues of race in extremely couched terms and going to great lengths to avoid generalization or other sloppy or prejudiced thinking. Nothing wrong with intellectual integrity. Jan needs to remember that it’s an obsession with some Dopers - if he uses the word “race” to mean “that which is commonly known by 90% of people as “race”” - he’ll get half a dozen people reminding everyone, for the umpteenth time, that it “race” is a “social construct” blah blah. Some people on SDMB are uncomfortable when others fail to use the euphemism _du jour_. Jan’s #1 problem is being unaware of the politically correct terminolgy. Everyone else’s problem is never having had Jan’s experience of seeing his country and, probably, livelihood destroyed. I know a couple of white Zimbabweans - born and raised in the country - who had to flee for their lives after assisting (black) people being framed by Mugabe for sabotage. Anyone reading the papers recently will have seen what a tyrant Mugabe is. Anyone who has read any history of Africa in the last 50 years will have seen that the vast majority of African states have declined since independence. Nearly everywhere else in the world (Burma and N Korea come to mind as exceptions) has progressed, at least a bit. Many African states have gone backwards - Rwanda, Uganda, Zaire, CAR, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, etc have seen corruption, despotism and ethnic slaughter on a scale unknown in most other parts of the world. Perhaps the only person who can get away with pointing out that governments formed by people of a particular skin color have failed miserably in Africa in the last few decades is a person of black African heritage himself. I would strongly urge anyone interested in understanding the inhumanity of Africa’s rulers in recent years to read [Keith Richburg](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/march97/richburg_3-5.html)’s book “Out of Africa”. The author (a Washington Post reporter who was posted in Africa and then here in Hong Kong) was blasted by black American nationalists for saying he was grateful his ancestors had been transported across the Atlantic as slaves. Anyone who has visited S Africa will have noticed that the place is pretty old-fashioned. It’s not a Californian university campus. Men are men, women are women, whites are whites, blacks are blacks. Language and attitudes are unpalatable to those of us from trendy liberal envornments. Translated into PC-ese, however, there are some valid points in Jan’s website. ---
**Author:** ![Redboss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@Redboss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redboss)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/46 "2002-04-08T02:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hemlock \*Translated into PC-ese, however, there are some valid points in Jan’s website. \*\* You just don’t get it do you? It’s NOT about the words, it’s about the ideas that the words convey, and the attitudes that are behind those ideas. If you think one group of people is inferior to another, there is NO WAY you can dress that up in what some people call “Politically correct language”. Describing differences between groups is a reasonable activity and is open to debate or disproof. Describing one group as inferior or morally worse, or less than human can’t be supported if we value human freedom. NOT ABOUT THE WORDS - not even about correctness - about our common humanity. Please. Redboss ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/47 "2002-04-08T02:17:06Z")
Go felch a dead goat, **Hemlock**. I never EVER defended Mgabe. Never. :rolleyes: Like I said, I have more than just **Jan** ’s website to go on, such as some comments he made on a message board, but they too are gone, so I’m not even going to bother. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/48 "2002-04-08T02:35:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by janl \* > \*\* > But I DEEPLY RESENT, someone coming along, slandering me in public and then just doing anything she wants to (I know this woman), and she can do all she wants and I must sit back and just take it. I wanted to meet this person on her “home territory” in front of her peers and friends and take her to task for her long and ongoing clandestine war against me which I deeply resent. \*\* Statements like this make Baby Jesus colicky. A “long and ongoing clandestine war” against you? Surely you jest. Okay, so maybe just MAYBE you’re not a racist. However, if you truly believe I am deliberately setting out to destroy and _libel_ you secretly, well, then you ARE a conspiracy nut and you need to have your head examined. _sigh_ I sometimes wonder if Cecil ever thought in the beginning that the war against ignorance would be so painful. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/49 "2002-04-08T02:38:46Z")
What a tortured and grotesque thread… The story of Guin, well meaning uber-liberial and internet danger-girl who meets Jan, troubled webpage host and possessor of a perspective few could understand [I won’t presume to argue if he is or is not racist] in the shadowy realm of the web. But fate is quirky and cruel. Their threads destroyed, scattered by the whims of hackers [that’s right I said _hackers_], Jan registers on the SDMB for the sole purpose of pursuing the elusive girl that has captured his imagination. Naturally, they fall in love. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/50 "2002-04-08T03:07:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Good lord! You find much worse than that **raiding** through GD everyday! I shall unite all the tribes of the Pit, and we shall ride down upon the fertile plains of Great Debates. We shall drive their warriors under the steel-shod hooves of our warhorses, and our blades will drink deep of their blood. And then, their riches shall be ours! A king’s ransom in abortion threads, creationism debates, and political acrimony! The forums of the Straight Dope will run crimson with our fury! -Miller, Khan of Khans ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/51 "2002-04-08T03:28:15Z")
YOu people are really pathetic. I love you guys! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/52 "2002-04-08T03:42:14Z")
A few things: 1 - Mugabe is a thug. I think we can all agree on that one. 2 - SA appears to be reasonably well run and on its way to becoming a first world country at some point over the next, say, 50 years. 3 - I saw Angola mentioned on **jan’s** list, so: On the Fox News Channel, no less, on an investment show they had, none other than Jimmy Rogers, a money manager who retired in his 30s because he’d made enough to live on for the rest of his natural life, stated that Angola was now the best investment on the planet, in his opinion. I have no idea if he’s right or not, obviously, but this guy is far from being anyone’s idea of a leftist, and if he’s willing to do business in Angola, I think that pretty clearly states where that country is headed. Being the world’s only living liberal gold bug, I get to read this drivel a lot. It’s right wing conspiracist pap, the kind of stuff they feed to each other all the time. See the Nyquist link on the top of **jan’s** site for a look at the standard view on Russia, which this man states in just about every article he writes, that Russia is still communist, and still our enemy. I think it’s pretty clear that it’s not communist, and it’s also pretty clear that their interests and our interests are not terribly well aligned in most areas of foreign policy. But you could say the exact same thing about the French, after all. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/53 "2002-04-08T04:32:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hemlock \* > The site (and perhaps Jan himself) probably comes across as politically incorrect to some regular Dopers, who are accustomed to talking about issues of race in extremely couched terms and going to great lengths to avoid generalization or other sloppy or prejudiced thinking. Jan’s website from my brief review brings to mind the hysterical Ian Smith and his Apatheid era Rhodesian double-talk. But it’s far too tedious to read through to make me come to a judgement. As for couched terms… > [@](#): > > Nothing wrong with intellectual integrity. Jan needs to remember that it’s an obsession with some Dopers - if he uses the word “race” to mean “that which is commonly known by 90% of people as “race”” - he’ll get half a dozen people reminding everyone, for the umpteenth time, that it “race” is a “social construct” blah blah. Some people on SDMB are uncomfortable when others fail to use the euphemism _du jour_. What ‘euphamism’ dipshit? There’s a history to the word, a history to how it has been used and a history to the evil that was the Apartheid regimes of the region. Given that actual history, one should be careful about usages which have implications, nasty, dirty ugly histories. Or you can keep your head firmly rooted up your anal canal and mumble on about “PC” or other fucking bullshit like that. [quote] Jan’s #1 problem is being unaware of the politically correct terminolgy. [/qutoe] Oh no, he’s very aware of a politically correct terminology, one has but to look at his coded references via ideology. > [@](#): > > Everyone else’s problem is never having had Jan’s experience of seeing his country and, probably, livelihood destroyed. Boo hoo. They stole the land at gunpoint, expropriations in the 1950s, ugly Apartheid regime etc. It’s a pity that it all has gone to hell, but Ian Smith’s Apartheid regime, his inability to reach just compromises with the rising Black opposition created Mugabe. They created their own devils. Now some folks in the past decade have worked to heal all that, and it is a deep shame for all around the Mugabe is determined to drag his country into hell for his old senile phantasms… > [@](#): > > Anyone who has read any history of Africa in the last 50 years will have seen that the vast majority of African states have declined since independence. Well they actually took off in the 1960s in aggregate, things went badly around 1975ish with the oil shock, and of course the growing involvement of the Cold War in Africa. > [@](#): > > Nearly everywhere else in the world (Burma and N Korea come to mind as exceptions) has progressed, at least a bit. Well, if one abstracts away from the 1960s which showed an opposite pattern… And this is to argue what? One might equally note that nowhere in the world did the yoke of colonial rule hang quite so heavy and with quite so much disregard for local institutions, setting the seeds for a lot of today’s problems. > [@](#): > > Many African states have gone backwards - Rwanda, Rwanda - Burundi are reaping the results of the cynical divide and conquer politics of the Belgian state and its ugly spreading of hatred to keep the pop divided. As well as post independence issues, of course. > [@](#): > > Uganda, Uganda is on the rebound after the Amin disaster. Looks not bad, all things considered. > [@](#): > > Zaire, Congo, its Congo now. Zaire is the classic case of Western guilt. Mobutu Sese Seko was the very creation of French-Belgian and American intelligence services, and existed with their help. Never mind the horrors that was the Belgian colonial regime. > [@](#): > > CAR, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, etc have seen corruption, despotism and ethnic slaughter on a scale unknown in most other parts of the world. Rubbish. SE Asia has seen far worse slaughter. The transfer of pops in the division of India killed more people. Africa is a mess, that’s quite true, but the scale is hardly unknown. And of course one abstracts away from fairly peaceful places like Ghana, Cote d’Ivoire (although they’ve had a rough spot of late), Senegal, Gabon, Tanzania, Kenya, Mali in the past decade… It’s all well and nice to list the problems, but let’s not put the dishonest spin. > [@](#): > > Perhaps the only person who can get away with pointing out that governments formed by people of a particular skin color have failed miserably in Africa in the last few decades is a person of black African heritage himself. And the governments which have done well, formed by folks of a particular skin color, that would be black, what about pointing them out, asshole? > [@](#): > > I would strongly urge anyone interested in understanding the inhumanity of Africa’s rulers in recent years to read [Keith Richburg](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/march97/richburg_3-5.html)’s book “Out of Africa”. The author (a Washington Post reporter who was posted in Africa and then here in Hong Kong) was blasted by black American nationalists for saying he was grateful his ancestors had been transported across the Atlantic as slaves. He’s an idiot. > [@](#): > > Anyone who has visited S Africa will have noticed that the place is pretty old-fashioned. It’s not a Californian university campus. What the fuck is that supposed to mean you fucking moron? > [@](#): > > Men are men Meaning prejudiced macho assholes? (No offense to SA, I am replying to the idjit, not characterizing you) Fuck off, moron. > [@](#): > > , women are women, Meaning what? > [@](#): > > whites are whites, Oh really, what are “whites” – you seem to have a sense of their essence, whiteness that is. Wonder how the coloureds fit in, or are the coloured, coloured? Fucking moron. > [@](#): > > Language and attitudes are unpalatable to those of us from trendy liberal envornments. Translated into PC-ese, however, there are some valid points in Jan’s website. Trendy liberal environments? Shove up your ass you ignorant racist fuck. Whites are white indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/54 "2002-04-08T04:40:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*-Miller, Khan of Khans \*\* Look upon his beers, ye mighty and despair. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/55 "2002-04-08T05:14:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > [ > > I shall unite all the tribes of the Pit, and we shall ride down upon the fertile plains of Great Debates. We shall drive their warriors under the steel-shod hooves of our warhorses, and our blades will drink deep of their blood. And then, their riches shall be ours! A king’s ransom in abortion threads, creationism debates, and political acrimony! The forums of the Straight Dope will run crimson with our fury! > > -Miller, Khan of Khans Harumph. Last guy that tried to take what was rightfully mine ended up with his head sitting atop a pyramid of his followers’. Khan of Khans, indeed 😃 . - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/56 "2002-04-08T05:41:56Z")
Ah **janl** , I feel your pain. You and yours came from Europe and made this land yours. The whites took these backwoods, primitive blacks and dragged them into the good life. When the whites ran things everything was good. The whites gave them plumbing, TV and lucrative diamond mining. All the blacks had to give up was their land, their pride and their rights. And how were you repaid for your largess? With sullenness and violence. And now the blacks are reaping the seeds of this sullenness and violence and the whites have to pay the price. Why? you rail and the skies and,–by means of your website-- anyone who will listen, why is there this racial strife? Why is a madman like Mugabe in a position of power? Wasn’t it better when the whites were running things? When socialism was mashed to nothingness and electric lights brightened the roads that lead into the Townships? Well, fuck that shit. Things may have been better for you back then and certainly things could be better now. But to couch _your_ rhetoric in seeming inocuous terms does not make you any less the racist. I know **Guin** a lot better than I know you. I know that she can be rash. I know that her enthusiasm can and often does get the better of her. I also know her “liberal” heart is in exactly the right place. You want to defend yourself against claims of racism to me? Show me how _you_ think your country can improve itself without portraying your fellow black countrymen as ingrates who didn’t know when they had it good. ---
**Author:** ![yarwitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/da6949/32.png) [@yarwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarwitz)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/57 "2002-04-08T05:52:31Z")
There does seem to be racial overtones to the site. The ‘poor whites’ attitude. After seeing the pictures (which i wish i hadnt of seen) i dont know, i kind of feel like a ‘he said, she said’ argument takes the back burner. lt makes me incredibly sad to live in a world where one person can hurt another so terribly…well i’ve just sat here for about 10 minutes not typing anything so i guess thats all i have to say. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Hemlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Hemlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hemlock)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/58 "2002-04-08T06:18:10Z")
**Collounsbury** - I’ll ignore most of your comments since they’re a waste of bandwidth, but I’m intrigued as to why you say of Keith Richburg - who’s not a close friend of mine, but I have met him - “he’s an idiot”. He’s a hundred times more coherent than you. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/59 "2002-04-08T07:04:36Z")
My family is white South African. I dearly love the country, and I wish it the best. We left in 1978 because my parents felt that they could not raise children in such a regime. South Africa in apartheid was bound to fall apart. It was socially untenable. Yes, life was wonderful there if you were white. My family there (a few uncles, my grandparents, and a few cousins) is still doing pretty well. But it was gonna come apart, and it was only a matter of time. You can’t keep 70% of your population repressed forever. It couldn’t have come apart any better, though. I think Desmond Tutu and Mandela deserve all of the praise that can possibly be heaped upon them. They are some of the most noble individuals this world has ever seen, and the insistence on staying away from redistribution of wealth and on reconciliation has kept the country together far longer than it would have otherwise. I’ve seen Mandela’s prison cell on Robben Island. A thoroughly unjust regime locked him for 27 years. He then came out of jail, walked the streets of Cape Town, was elected and proceeded to shake the hands and make up with the people who held the keys. The man deserves sainthood. But, Mandela is unfortunately old. And the situation in Southern Africa is about the worst on the planet, from poverty to social turmoil due to AIDS to drought to refugee/immigrant/unemployement. Mugabe is a thug, we all know. The ANC aside from Mandela may have its share of thugs. The situation is still going to get real ugly. But none of this is due to skin color anymore. It is a simple story on a priveleged minority clinging to wealth as the country goes to shit around them. These are the exact conditions that breed violence and revolution, and nobody should be surprised to see it coming a mile away. Mandela his designated successors are trying to keep the wheels on, but face it, they are not Mandela. There have not been many Mandelas. And it is inevitable, the wheels are coming off. No country in any situation could stand the turmoil of Southern Africa for very long. You see it happening in Zimbabwe. It won’t be long for South Africa. I am glad I was able to take my wife there two years ago so we could see the country still in relative peace. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2002, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-racist-is-back-to-defend-himself/102329/60 "2002-04-08T09:22:59Z")
Heh. From **JanL** ’s very own [message board](http://www.africancrisis.org/HB2.asp?Link=Quotes3.asp&Size=40&Link2=Forum.asp&), his very own words: > [@](#): > > \>How many who post to this board believe that race is an \>indicator of “traits and capacities” - that if you took two \>people of the same sex but of different races and raised them up \>in the exact same way, there would still be profound \>differences between them in behavior and intelligence? > > This is not what this website is about. But, I know what you are angling for and looking for. Let me tell you something, there is more science out there than you are ready for and the answers which science comes up with are moral and political hot potatoes. > > A good friend of mine in the USA, Jeff Nyquist (see [www.JRNyquist.com](http://www.JRNyquist.com)) studied for his PHd in Sociology. Sociology is the study of people - history, etc. Jeff told me some staggering things about IQ which would never reach the mainstream media and which would NEVER be accepted by the American public. > > I have a strong interest in all science (see my previous book, Hollow Planets). My interest lies mostly in physics, but I have read a little bit about all sorts of unaccepted subjects and I want to tell you that the study of race is a valid science. I am no expert, but between 1900-1930 most countries in the West studied race in a big way and that includes America and Britain. But WWII, and the politics of WWII resulted in a change of attitude towards the study of race and thereafter it was strongly discouraged. > > But science must move forward, regardless of politics. And it did. On the quiet many scientists have studied race in one way or another and many of their conclusions are political nightmares. Even Nobel Prize scientists have been shut up for some of the things they said. Some years back a British Nobel Prize winning scientist suggested that governments pay some people not to have children. He was trashed and his career destroyed. > > When you enter the issue of breeding and IQ, and DNA, etc you enter a world which no major news media and no mainstream politician wants to touch. In a nutshell, for the sake of peace and stability, they promote certain ideas. A country like the USA which contains people from every corner of the earth has no choice but to do that. > > A lot of the ideas which are regarded as sacred and hallowed in America do not bear out under the scrutiny of history. In many ways, America also has ideas just as false as Marxism which is not borne out by the facts of life and science. Multiracial and multicultural societies are nothing new. But look at their dismal history. Look at Alexander the Great, look at Ghengis Khan and the Mongols. All these people believed in multicultural and multiracial societies. Look at how quickly these fell apart. America, in many ways, is bucking the trend of history. > > So, I suggest you be open-minded to the possibility that some of your dearest ideas may not be borne out by future facts. > > With regard to race, its quite simple. The answer lies in science and people bend over backwards to pretend it is not there and to try to explain it away. > > In my news articles section, page backwards - some weeks back - maybe two months or so ago - I put a story here which came from Jeff Rense’s site ([www.Rense.com](http://www.Rense.com)). It was about how scientists discovered that DNA and IQ are more closely linked than ever before. > > Be warned, SCIENCE, western science, American science, may yet be in a position to show that a lot of the concepts on which Apartheid was based may be scientifically valid. > > Its like “stereotyping”. There is a lot of “anti-Intellectualism” in this world where people pretend suddenly, that ignorance is intelligence. Take the concept of “stereotyping” which President Bush himself decries. Stereotyping is merely logic in action. When a detective gets to the scene of the crime, he immediately checks the spouse’s alibi. Why? Because studies show that spouses are often the murderers. That’s experience talking. When Arabs start carrying out acts of terror against the USA, what is wrong with taking a closer look at Arabs passing through airports or even treating them differently? You would be a fool not to. > > Now let’s talk DNA. Read some biology. Scientists keep telling you DNA is the BLUE PRINT for a human being. The BLUE PRINT for an entire human or animal. In forensic studies they know that 1/2 you DNA comes from your mother and 1/2 from your father. This is immutable. This is what you get. Now, since DNA is the BLUE PRINT, it tells everything about you: eye colour, hair colour, and yes, skin colour. But there’s more to racial differences than these. Look at people, closely, look at nose shapes, look at them physically. Ask an anatomist, for example, to list the differences between races and you will be stunned by the list which comes out. > > Now consider this, could it be that some races are physically stronger than others? Look at how many blacks excel at sport, etc? Look at how blacks dominate the arts? They are natural performers. Now why should intelligence suddenly be “equal” among EVERYONE? > > If DNA determines all your physical characteristics, why should it not also determine IQ? > > Do yourself a favour and study some biology, especially the findings of scientists which have been suppressed and sidelined. Study some sociology and then see for yourself, a LOT of what politicians pretend does not exist, is actually well-documented to scientifically acceptable standards. But for the sake of peace, people don’t discuss it. > > I can tell you some interesting things which Jeff told me. For example, he said, in sociology, it is a pretty much proven rule that IQ determines income. It does not matter if IQ is a true measure of intelligence. But IQ and income do relate (as an average - obviously there are exceptions). Why are blacks on the bottom rung of EVERY COUNTRY where they live on earth? Are they oppressed? Or is this merely natural law in action? Answer that question for yourself. > > I can tell you that many people, even in the USA know the truth, but nobody speaks it. I was told recently, by someone well-connected in South Africa, that some European investors in South Africa are INSISTING that the financial management of companies they invest in MUST be in the hands of whites or they will not invest in South Africa. You won’t hear that in the news, but there are many things. > > Let me tell you another thing. If you take take a white and black person and let them have children, then the IQ of the resultant children will be 1/2 way between the IQs of the races. All of this is documented and is found in sociology. But people don’t like the facts which come out of this, so they try to explain it away as “environmental factors”. Yes, environment does play some role - but the larger role - as science shows is DNA - and that comes from breeding. > > I come from a farming background. Farmers, across the world manipulate animals every day. If people wanted to, they could manipulate people too. Genetics and the result of breeding are pretty well-studied. > > Go and look for the article in my news section or on Jeff Rense’s site about the link between DNA and IQ. I also have an article, also many weeks back, about the USA. One state did something unprecedented, they tallied scores by race. The results matched exactly what comes from SA. > > Much is done to try to explain away things by way of environment. But forget it. DNA is the greater determinant of what people are and scientists know it, but they don’t publicise it widely. Read what American and British scientists know about humans. Try to engage them in discussions. You will be shocked. > > But we need to all live together. And it does not matter to me what a person’s abilities are - All people deserve equality before the law and all people deserve equal opportunity. But where they go with it and what they make of their lives is another business. > > Here in South Africa, for example, I heard that the way the ANC gets away with pretending it is doing something for education is by dropping the pass rate. I spoke to a woman some weeks ago whose child is in high school. She said that now 30% is regarded as a pass rate. Look at the children in schools. Look at the highest performers. Every year, the top performers in schools in South Africa are white children. It is in the newspapers and on TV for all to see - but nobody ever actually says: White kids are the top performers. That would be racist wouldn’t it? > > So we all pretend whites don’t perform. But whites do perform and the history of Africa should be proof of that. As whites leave African countries those countries go downhill. The evidence is there, across Africa, for all to see. Mind you the same is true of Asians. Asians were kicked out of Uganda and other countries. > > In terms of IQ, Asians score the highest, then whites, then blacks. The records showing this go back decades and it is still there, to this day, even in American schools. The very highest IQ scores comes from a certain segment of the Japanese population. Is it any wonder therefore that Japan, with no natural resources and 1/2 the population of the USA has the 2nd strongest economy in the world? > > Let me tell you something. I remember reading, YEARS AGO, almost 10 years ago, of a study done by the Japanese. They reckoned that Japan’s greatest problem is old age - as people live longer. But they, the Japs, concluded that America will not survive as #1 in the world because the USA is bringing in too many Third World people into it and these people will not be able to run an advanced society. The Japs did this study and reached these conclusions long before Buchanan wrote his book “The Death of the West”. > > So underneath it all, many people know the truth, but most people choose not to talk about it. People, across the world are trying to downplay racial issues and differences. But the facts are there, and there’s no better place to study than Africa, before, during and after colonialism. > > People may be equal morally, but that’s where it ends. All scientific facts point the other way, and beware, Apartheid may be more scientific than people expected. The world jumped all over white South Africans, but what if it turns out white South Africans were right? Oh, **Jan** , **Jan** , **Jan**! You ignorant slut. You’re not racist, right? 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