# The RCC now has zero tolerance for child abuse. Well, except... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492 "2014-08-25T20:11:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/221 "2014-09-02T18:40:26Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Aside from moderators reminding posters to make their personal insults less blatant, I actually notice hardly any of this. No one stands up for for debate form or etiquette or a lack of hyperbole _as such_… There’s definitely come selection bias going on here on your part if you believe that “no one” stands up for this. I see this type of thing at least semi-regularly. **Der Trihs** , at least, is regularly told by people nominally on his “side” that his hyperbolic contributions are harming the cause more than helping it. And several gun-control liberals, myself included, called **elucidator** out on [this particularly nonsensical post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17645069&postcount=946) even though it was arguing for the same point we agreed on (shooting looters and thieves is generally unwise) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/222 "2014-09-02T18:51:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > those who have broken no laws You’re still under the delusion that that’s a settled fact, aren’t you? > [@](#): > > the other groups that act immorally. Like, every single religious organization, as they are all (of necessity) based on lies. No point trying to enlighten you any further about that, is there? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/223 "2014-09-02T18:58:18Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > There’s definitely come selection bias going on here on your part if you believe that “no one” stands up for this. I see this type of thing at least semi-regularly. **Der Trihs** , at least, is regularly told by people nominally on his “side” that his hyperbolic contributions are harming the cause more than helping it. And several gun-control liberals, myself included, called **elucidator** out on [this particularly nonsensical post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17645069&postcount=946) even though it was arguing for the same point we agreed on (shooting looters and thieves is generally unwise) It does happen, and in the case of someone extreme, like **Der Trihs** , it happens not infrequently. Overall it’s pretty rare, though – more to the point, it’s rarer than I would like it to be, I guess is what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/224 "2014-09-02T18:59:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’re still under the delusion that that’s a settled fact, aren’t you? Both those in a position to make that decision, and those who’ve actually looked at the laws and the evidence, agree that it is. So it’s not a delusion. But hey, it would be easy to show I’m wrong. Point to the law you think he broke, and the evidence you used to draw that conclusion. If you like, add your reasoning, but if it’s as clear as you claim that shouldn’t be necessary. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/225 "2014-09-02T19:10:37Z")
_Do_ try to keep up. It isn’t easy for someone who thinks all religions are equally immoral, even though there’s only one of any size that has institutionalized protection of child rapists, but you do have to try. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/226 "2014-09-02T19:11:20Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > It does happen, and in the case of someone extreme, like **Der Trihs** , it happens not infrequently. Overall it’s pretty rare, though – more to the point, it’s rarer than I would like it to be, I guess is what I’m saying. I’ll grant that. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/227 "2014-09-02T19:22:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > _Do_ try to keep up. It isn’t easy for someone who thinks all religions are equally immoral, even though there’s only one of any size that has institutionalized protection of child rapists, but you do have to try. There’s worse things that protecting child rapists. Such as lying to people to control them, which is - and always has been - the point of religion. But hey, if you think Catholics institutionally protecting child rapists is so much worse than Muslims doing so at the community level, there’s no hope for you. ETA Still no actual mention of what crime Law supposedly committed then? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/228 "2014-09-02T19:43:36Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > There’s worse things that protecting child rapists. Such as lying to people to control them, which is - and always has been - the point of religion. > > But hey, if you think Catholics institutionally protecting child rapists is so much worse than Muslims doing so at the community level, there’s no hope for you. > > ETA Still no actual mention of what crime Law supposedly committed then? Look, over there! Muslims!!! ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/229 "2014-09-02T19:52:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Look, over there! Muslims!!! Yep. And they’re just as bad as Catholics - which is to say, as individuals they’re mostly fine, but when they form groups based on lies, they’re dangerous idiots. So, just like everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/230 "2014-09-02T21:03:00Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > … called **elucidator** out on [this particularly nonsensical post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17645069&postcount=946) even though it was arguing for the same point we agreed on (shooting looters and thieves is generally unwise) Are you operating on the assumption that simply declaring a moral question to be “nonsense” is an answer? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/231 "2014-09-02T21:27:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Couldn’t you say that about most criminals, ' **luc**? We do lock people away who aren’t going to be rehabilitated or reoffend, as punishment. Incarceration does have multiple motives and uses. > > If not punishment, just exposure and disgrace: **What exposure and disgrace is Law subject to, hidden away in the Vatican?** And what exposure and disgrace are \*they \*subject to, by so doing? Well, I notice _you’re_ not the President of his fan club… ETA: Perhaps a more serious way of making the same point is _What accolades and perquisites are accorded him, in his current situation?_ I confess that it would do my morale some good to contemplate him being in similar straits to Julian Assange. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/232 "2014-09-02T21:37:57Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Yep. And they’re just as bad as Catholics - which is to say, as individuals they’re mostly fine, but when they form groups based on lies, they’re dangerous idiots. > > So, just like everybody else. There’s your solution, then: Whenever somebody posts a thread about a problem, you can post a thread about an unrelated problem that you feel is equally important, and we can just go ahead and shut the original thread down. :smack: On a totally unrelated note, I’m doing this crossword puzzle and I’m looking for an 8 letter word that starts with an “S”, and the clue is “disingenuous fuckwit”. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/233 "2014-09-02T22:13:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > On a totally unrelated note, I’m doing this crossword puzzle and I’m looking for an 8 letter word that starts with an “S”, and the clue is “disingenuous fuckwit”. I thought you’d have learned to spell your own username by now, at least you’ve managed to count the letters properly though. Well done you! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/234 "2014-09-02T23:02:05Z")
Ooooh, _snap!_ Wilde? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/235 "2014-09-02T23:31:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ooooh, _snap!_ Wilde? Not Oscar, I think. Perhaps Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/236 "2014-09-03T01:04:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Are you operating on the assumption that simply declaring a moral question to be “nonsense” is an answer? You seem to have a very short memory. This conversation was only a few weeks ago, plus it’s posted right there–I figured you would remember how it went. To recap: I immediately answered your “moral question,” with the same plainly obvious that at least two other people gave. Then expressed confusion about the point of your question, since the answer was so obvious that I assumed that either I missed something or you omitted something. (I admit, I expressed my confusion with snark) You responded in a [completely unhelpful manner](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17645406&postcount=966). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/237 "2014-09-03T05:16:37Z")
Its not a metaphysical semantic trap like “Can God make a burrito too big for him to eat?” Not all that complicated. What’s the problem? There are no hidden nuances, the question is exactly as it is worded. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/238 "2014-09-03T06:13:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its not a metaphysical semantic trap like “Can God make a burrito too big for him to eat?” Not all that complicated. What’s the problem? There are no hidden nuances, the question is exactly as it is worded. Because [the basic principles of communication](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle) dictate that when you conclude an argument with a question, the answer to the question is most likely meant to support your argument. Instead, the answer to your question was vacuous. If in fact you intended no hidden nuances, and the question was meant exactly as worded, then it was a non-sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/239 "2014-09-03T06:38:43Z")
OK-doke. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/240 "2014-09-03T07:33:08Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > Because [the basic principles of communication](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle) dictate that when you conclude an argument with a question, the answer to the question is most likely meant to support your argument. Instead, the answer to your question was vacuous. If in fact you intended no hidden nuances, and the question was meant exactly as worded, then it was a non-sequitur. He was saying that if you aren’t willing to kill get someone else’s widget, that you shouldn’t be willing to kill to keep your widget. Since the value of the widget is below the level you’d kill for. I don’t necessarily agree, but he wasn’t being obfuscatory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492.md?page=13)