# The RCC now has zero tolerance for child abuse. Well, except... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492 "2014-08-25T20:11:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/521 "2014-09-10T18:50:00Z")
God, you’re a fucking tool… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/522 "2014-09-10T18:55:19Z")
Says the troll-feeder. \*Most of us \*caught on to **Bricker** ’s act long ago. Surely you’ve seen it mentioned a few times before? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/523 "2014-09-10T19:21:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You sad, sick, stupid little bigot. No more, or less, than you with your constant attacks on Catholicism. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/524 "2014-09-11T12:18:12Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > That’s part of it sure. But as much as I like to see the reasoned debate, I don’t think that a reasoned debate necessarily means that nobody gets to have any fun. Speaking for myself, the board would be poorer without people goofing off and dicking around a bit. But at this point I’m not sure Bricker can _tell_ when someone is offering a serious rebuttal, when someone is dicking around, and when someone is occupying some grey area in the midst of all that. In both my last two jobs, I worked closely with guys with whom I disagreed on politics and religion. We debated them a lot, and included a lot of shit-talking about how the other guy was terrible and going to hell. We could do, that, though, because we both understood that there was a real mutual respect going on underneath the dicking around. > [@](#): > > This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play. But our merriment must be of that kind (and it is, in fact, the merriest kind) which exists between people who have, from the outset, taken each other seriously - no flippancy, no superiority, no presumption. IMO, that isn’t the case here; elucidator is nothing _but_ the dicking around, and all about flippancy, superiority and presumption. (I’ll allow that I’ve only read maybe a dozen posts of his in the last few years; perhaps he’s changed). There is no respect underlying it at all, and it’s not even funny most of the time, it’s just smug moralistic preening. Honestly, in some ways it’s worse than the open, genuine contempt of the people who will come right out and say “Republicans are vile human beings and I hope they all die.” At least that guy is putting his cards on the table. Either way, I’m going to guess that the times where you saw Bricker loosen up and show his emotions, he was talking to people he felt respected him. (Unless of course by “show emotion,” you mean times where he loses his temper and unloads vitriol on one of the resident assholes. That may be entertaining to you, but I don’t think it’s what he comes here for.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/525 "2014-09-11T12:45:46Z")
elucidator is occasionally amusing. Der Trish is the go-to guy for humourless and predictable “vile human being” commentary. Heck, any GD thread involving abortion, however peripherally, can expect a first-page Trihsspiel about how religious people/Republicans/conservatives hate women and want them to all die horribly. Personally, I think he should get a thesaurus so he can at least introduce some minor variation on what has become a monotonous theme. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/526 "2014-09-11T15:07:22Z")
> [@furt](#): > > IMO, that isn’t the case here; elucidator is nothing _but_ the dicking around, and all about flippancy, superiority and presumption. (I’ll allow that I’ve only read maybe a dozen posts of his in the last few years; perhaps he’s changed). There is no respect underlying it at all, and it’s not even funny most of the time, it’s just smug moralistic preening. Honestly, in some ways it’s worse than the open, genuine contempt of the people who will come right out and say “Republicans are vile human beings and I hope they all die.” At least that guy is putting his cards on the table. Sure. But Bricker spends his time bemoaning the fact that we don’t treat 'luci as if his dicking around was a serious argument. It doesn’t matter if he’s being funny or being disrespectful or just being a jerk. If his arguments shouldn’t be taken seriously, then taking them seriously makes it look like serious well-thought arguments. It gives them a level of respect they don’t deserve. I’m not gonna give the impression that his statements are worth taking seriously. Not all posts by all posters should be treated the same. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/527 "2014-09-11T15:30:12Z")
Mine should. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/528 "2014-09-11T15:31:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Says the troll-feeder. > > \*Most of us \*caught on to **Bricker** ’s act long ago. Surely you’ve seen it mentioned a few times before? Define “us” here. People with severe head trauma? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/529 "2014-09-11T15:45:42Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Sure. But Bricker spends his time bemoaning the fact that we don’t treat 'luci as if his dicking around was a serious argument. It doesn’t matter if he’s being funny or being disrespectful or just being a jerk. If his arguments shouldn’t be taken seriously, then taking them seriously makes it look like serious well-thought arguments. It gives them a level of respect they don’t deserve. I’m not gonna give the impression that his statements are worth taking seriously. Not all posts by all posters should be treated the same. Yeah, and that’s where I agree with you. Personally, my SDMB experience is aided a lot by the “ignore” feature. Unfortunately, that also means that a lot of GD threads are, for me, 50% invisible, and so I don’t often post there much anymore. It’s also true that there are probably times where someone on my ignore list responded to me and I never saw it and so they went unrebutted. Bricker can speak for himself, but my guess is he feels an obligation to respond to people who respond to him, and a desire to keep working to make GD/SDMB live up to the ignorance-fighting mission. Well-intentioned, IMO, but it’s not gonna happen. It is what it is, people are who they are, and you either leave, learn to accept it, or give yourself stress. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/530 "2014-09-11T15:48:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Define “us” here. People who’ve been fucking paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/531 "2014-09-11T15:54:57Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No more, or less, than you with your constant attacks on Catholicism. That’s where the “stupid” part comes in, under you being a sad, sick, stupid little bigot. The faith itself, and the organization that operates it, are two separate things, often and historically very separate indeed. The indoctrinated, or those so ignorant as to think all religions are equally lying, might not be able to grasp the concept, as you yourself illustrate, but even the Jesuits distinguish between the “true church” and the “historical church” when discussing such matters as the Inquisition and the Crusades - and, now, the “historical church’s” institutional protection of child rape. Unfortunately the historical church is also the present church. The faith itself? Harmless in itself, has inspired a lot of people to do a lot of good stuff, like most religions actually do (your stupidity and bigotry on that is especially apparent), even if you don’t need religion to do them. It’s also inspired a lot of sublime music, too. It’s tragic that it has been, and still is, so often used as a protective cover for so much of what is worst in humanity, though. All that went right over you, didn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/532 "2014-09-11T15:59:48Z")
I’m torn between having no respect for Bricker and a desire to not be “ussed” with ElvisL1ves. It’s a regular Silly-ass and Charybdumb. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/533 "2014-09-11T16:09:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > All that went right over you, didn’t it? It’s actually possible for someone to understand your point without agreeing with you, moron. The Muslim community in Rotherham enabled child abuse, and fear of said community lead to a cover-up, just as the RCC did. It’s the same thing. Whether Islam or Catholicism teach that it’s wrong to do so or not is irrelevant, they still did it. I’m well aware of Catholic, other christian, and Muslim teachings on morality. I’m also aware how often they are ignored or perverted. Someone who only does “good” things out of fear of God or hell isn’t really doing anything good, they are entirely self-interested. People who do good for no hope of reward or fear of punishment are _actually_ being good. Religion does nothing but attempt to control and terrify people by lying to them, and that some people get past that and actually do good is in no way a recommendation for religion. I agree about the music, though. But then, Satanism has inspired plenty of good music as well, so that’s no great claim to goodness. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/534 "2014-09-11T16:33:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m torn between having no respect for Bricker and a desire to not be “ussed” with ElvisL1ves. It’s a regular Silly-ass and Charybdumb. I can do both. I am slightly large. I contain several. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/535 "2014-09-11T17:19:08Z")
True wit, man. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/536 "2014-09-11T17:35:53Z")
You should try it sometime. POW! ZING! KABOOM! Just kidding, you’re all right. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/537 "2014-09-27T00:30:24Z")
Wesolowski is under house arrest: [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/vatican-puts-dominican-envoy-house-arrest-25706793](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/vatican-puts-dominican-envoy-house-arrest-25706793) ETA: Apparently there’s no prison in the Vatican. Whatever happened to the Inquisition dungeons? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/538 "2014-09-27T04:07:14Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Wesolowski is under house arrest: [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/vatican-puts-dominican-envoy-house-arrest-25706793](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/vatican-puts-dominican-envoy-house-arrest-25706793) > > ETA: Apparently there’s no prison in the Vatican. Whatever happened to the Inquisition dungeons? Well, there’s no prison in the Vatican but there are prisons in Italy. The dude’s getting (or already has been) defrocked and that’s the extent of punishment, apparently, ecclesiastically. However, the dude’s a Vatican citizen so the civil authority (which happens to be the Vatican, go figure) can try him and, if he’s found guilty, order him imprisoned, the prison sentence to be served in an Italian jail. The above is my understanding. I’m welcome to being corrected on the particulars. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/539 "2014-09-27T04:12:11Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > ETA: Apparently there’s no prison in the Vatican. Whatever happened to the Inquisition dungeons? The building that had them isn’t there anymore. The building currently on the site was built in the 1920s, without dungeons. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/540 "2014-09-27T16:19:20Z")
Have there been punitive damages for the church’s role in any of this? ISTM that if the Church lost all of its assets along the eastern seaboard or something like that, they would think twice about covering up this sort of shit the next time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492.md?page=26)