# The RCC now has zero tolerance for child abuse. Well, except... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492 "2014-08-25T20:11:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/161 "2014-09-01T21:55:47Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Please provide the evidence that the conclusion was based on politics. I’ll accept as possible evidence close political, personal, or financial ties between the Massachusetts AG and Law. I’ll also accept evidence that Law actually broke the laws referenced in the AG report. > > I would suggest that you no longer defend shithead’s view, and instead go back to telling jokes. “Which leaves open the question” is a common form of speech to indicate that the matter is, well, open to question. Am I expected to supply proof that those firmly connected to powerful institutions are oftimes treated with special delicacy? This is news to you? This is not a courtroom, I am not a lawyer, and the semantic gymnastics of legalism do not herein apply. I am not seeking to convict anyone of a crime, I am stating my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/162 "2014-09-01T21:55:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > B) does not particularly care if Law is prosecuted or not, so long as his heinous behavior is a matter of public record Is that a fact? > [@](#): > > But the report, to my eye, says that, yes, such statutes exist, but finds no basis for prosecuting Law, apparently as an evidentiary matter. Which, of course, leaves open the question that such a conclusion was affected by political concerns, as well it might. Who said that, then? Your corgi? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/163 "2014-09-01T21:57:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Which leaves open the question” is a common form of speech to indicate that the matter is, well, open to question. Am I expected to supply proof that those firmly connected to powerful institutions are oftimes treated with special delicacy? This is news to you? > > This is not a courtroom, I am not a lawyer, and the semantic gymnastics of legalism do not herein apply. I am not seeking to convict anyone of a crime, I am stating my opinion. You’re not a lawyer, this isn’t a courtroom, so you’re free to argue that Law be arrested and tried even if there’s no actual law he broke, because, hey, court of public opinion! You’re no lawyer! You don’t have no observes any “technicalities!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/164 "2014-09-01T22:04:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > even if there’s no actual law he broke He didn’t say that, now did he, weasel? Here’s a hint: Nobody did. **Frank** , if you have any facts or logic or arguments or anything of the sort to present, feel free. The repeated butthurt in lieu of that does not help you in anyway. You’re both free to name names if you like. We’re all grownups here. Well, the rest of us are, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/165 "2014-09-01T22:05:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …so you’re free to argue that Law be arrested and tried even if there’s no actual law he broke… Didn’t say that. Can you quote where I said he should be arrested and tried? Then do so. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/166 "2014-09-01T22:05:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Which leaves open the question” is a common form of speech to indicate that the matter is, well, open to question. Am I expected to supply proof that those firmly connected to powerful institutions are oftimes treated with special delicacy? “Which leaves open the question” is generally dependent upon an argument based on evidence opposing the question. You’ve shown no such evidence. As to your question, who, specifically, that was involved in the AG report was firmly connected to Bernard Law? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/167 "2014-09-01T22:06:53Z")
Isn’t there some type of ‘aiding & abetting’ the commission of a felony statute that Cardinal Law broke? (apologies if this has already been answered–scanned the thread & didn’t see) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/168 "2014-09-01T22:07:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Frank** , if you have any facts or logic or arguments or anything of the sort to present, feel free. I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that my referring to the popes by their regnal names indicates my being an apologist of rapists and enablers. Shithead. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/169 "2014-09-01T22:10:23Z")
Your taking offense at that, while showing no interest in the actual rape victims, is sufficient evidence of your moral priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/170 "2014-09-01T22:18:52Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > Isn’t there some type of ‘aiding & abetting’ the commission of a felony statute that Cardinal Law broke? > > (apologies if this has already been answered–scanned the thread & didn’t see) Post 146. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/171 "2014-09-01T22:20:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Your taking offense at that, while showing no interest in the actual rape victims, is sufficient evidence of your moral priorities. You have stated that that is so. If you truly believe so, you’re insane; if not, you’re using it for political effect. You are, regardless, a shithead. Shithead. When, precisely, did I indicate that I took offense at [referring to the popes by their family names]? I asked why you were doing it; you told me; I said that it inhibits communication. That’s offense? Shithead. The indication of your moral priorities in this thread has not been overwhelmingly convincing. Shithead. You’re a shithead. Shithead. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/172 "2014-09-01T22:25:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Didn’t say that. Can you quote where I said he should be arrested and tried? Then do so. You seldom say anything directly. You mumble, “Well, hoss,” and talk about five cards being dealt to. Democrats, and this kind of obfuscation allows you to say all sorts of things while denying that you actually said them. But you said that the report “leaves open the question.” Now, if you were a conservative, you’d be torn to metaphorical shreds for “just asking questions.” But since you’re a liberal, it’s all good. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/173 "2014-09-01T22:28:24Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You have stated that that is so. And you cannot show where it is not the case. You did, however, seem to have learned a swear word back in fourth grade, but apparently only the one. > [@](#): > > When, precisely, did I indicate that I took offense at [referring to the popes by their family names]? By even asking about it. :rolleyes: Can you show us on this doll where the priest touched you? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/174 "2014-09-01T22:31:24Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > Isn’t there some type of ‘aiding & abetting’ the commission of a felony statute that Cardinal Law broke? > > (apologies if this has already been answered–scanned the thread & didn’t see) Law could claim to have moved Father O’Reilly to another diocese so that he might be closer to his ailing grandmother and could go and sing “Toora-Loora-Loora” to her on a more regular basis. A prosecutor would be required to prove otherwise. Its not enough that it \*looks \*like he’s trying to help the priest get away with it, the law has to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/175 "2014-09-01T22:35:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You seldom say anything directly. You mumble, “Well, hoss,” and talk about five cards being dealt to. Democrats, and this kind of obfuscation allows you to say all sorts of things while denying that you actually said them. > > But you said that the report “leaves open the question.” > > Now, if you were a conservative, you’d be torn to metaphorical shreds for “just asking questions.” > > But since you’re a liberal, it’s all good. Ah! So the reason you can’t actually quote me saying what you insist I said is liberal hypocrisy? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/176 "2014-09-01T22:39:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > By even asking about it. :rolleyes: By even asking about it? When 99.99999% of the world refers to the popes by their regnal names, including the varieties of Orthodox Christians, Moslems, Jews, Zorostarianists, Shintoists, Bhuddists, Toaists, animasts and pagans, and heads of state around the world, my asking why you don’t indicates offense? You have shit for brains. Shithead. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/177 "2014-09-01T22:49:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Law could claim to have moved Father O’Reilly to another diocese so that he might be closer to his ailing grandmother and could go and sing “Toora-Loora-Loora” to her on a more regular basis. A prosecutor would be required to prove otherwise. Its not enough that it \*looks \*like he’s trying to help the priest get away with it, the law has to prove it. Did it ever go before a grand jury? Or a jury? From the little I know of this case, it seems that “proof” exists that he aided & abetted the commission of numerous felonies. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/178 "2014-09-01T23:13:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Can you show us on this doll where the priest touched you? I’ve been thinking about this. I was raised Catholic, and was an altar boy, and did, until I discovered girls, consider the priesthood. I was never abused by a priest, nor was I abused by anyone connected with the Catholic church. Shithead. I think it’s disgusting that you assume that all priests are sexual predators. Shithead. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/179 "2014-09-01T23:22:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah! So the reason you can’t actually quote me saying what you insist I said is liberal hypocrisy? You have to understand, Bricker’s so arrogant, he can’t imagine he loses arguments legitimately. So he \*needs \*the liberal conspiracy treating him badly to keep his delusions of adequacy. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492/180 "2014-09-01T23:25:35Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ve been thinking about this. I was raised Catholic, and was an altar boy, and did, until I discovered girls, consider the priesthood. I was never abused by a priest, nor was I abused by anyone connected with the Catholic church. Shithead. > > I think it’s disgusting that you assume that all priests are sexual predators. Shithead. Not all priests are pedophiles, certainly. But it’s a good place to work, if you are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-rcc-now-has-zero-tolerance-for-child-abuse-well-except/696492.md?page=10)