The problem is you didn’t present one. Just a bunch of fallacies.
It’s not really that complicated: those aren’t protected classes. And there is no individual job that the business owner is forced to accept. He cannot discriminate against entire classes of people.
I have never seen you identify a fallacy correctly, and I despair of ever seeing it. That said, I actually agree I didn’t present an argument: I was commenting on your argument. You stated your position and I made some accurate comments about its implications and your priorities. So far you’ve failed to respond to that other than saying “um, I call fallacy!!!” Saying something you don’t want to hear isn’t a fallacy.
So, it depends on how the proprietor expresses it? Is that what you mean? What’s wrong with “sorry, I already have a wedding booked”?
No.
If he’s booked, there’s no problem. Once again, nobody is compelled to accept any job. But if it turns out he’s discriminating and coming up with flimsy excuses, there’s a chance he’ll get sued for discrimination and lose.
Do you understand that if one party does not even offer a valid argument there is no point to continuing? If anything you offer is fallacious it immediately loses any persuasive force.
I think you’re stalling because you can’t actually refute what I said about your arguments. Prove me wrong.
The point is he has this right.
This is hilariously incorrect. You may wish it to be free, but that does not make it so.
We know what it’s like when each party is “free”.
A couple of years or so ago, my son selected a book from the library called Ruth and the Green Book for me to read to him. In my ignorance I just thought it was a book about a family taking a trip. It was actually a book about how people used to deal with “freedom”. The freedom to be refused service at restaurants motels and gas stations when you’re driving from Chicago to Alabama.
Of course, it drove a whole new market, a market for a Green Book that told travelers where they would actually be welcome to stop by and spend their money without offending the proprietor.
What a lovely time that was, I could feel the fond rememberances while uncomfortably telling the story to my son. If only we could go back to those simpler times.
Fallacy of the single cause, among others. Overgeneralization. The list goes on…
Look this over carefully:
No, he doesn’t, and we around 50 years of laws and court rulings to back me up. I think you mean “he should have that right,” to which I’d say that I disagree because it paves the way for all kinds of unconscionable and cruel discrimination. But if you want to say he has that right, all I have to say society hasn’t agreed with you for a long time.
I have worked in businesses for many years, and in some cases individuals could not come to an agreement on a contract. In some cases the reasons were personal.
And?
And risk the negative Yelp reviews? A mediocre place might not care but one that cares about its reputation would.
Does a lawyer take any case that walks in the door? No, of course not.
Which is legal, and nobody has said otherwise.
How is the case different? Please clarify. And how about ‘historically black’ colleges?
It’s been explained several times already, but discriminating against protected classes is illegal. Choosing which individuals you do business with is not illegal.
Please explain what you mean. (And while you do, note that they’re more diverse than you might think.)
I understand what protected classes are, is that the line then? If someone is in a protected class the business has to deal with them?
What about if the owner doesn’t like fat people. Should they be forced to do a wedding for a fat couple? What if the owner doesn’t like people who smoke? People who do drugs? People with tattoos?
That’s the part I’m having problems with, it seems it’s ok to discriminate, unless the law says one can’t. So you’re fine then with saying one don’t need to serve me if they saw me outside with a legal cigar and tattoos, when I’m done I walk in to a cake shop in search of a cake and being told “I don’t serve your kind here”. With my kind being non protected.
There’s actually one in West Virginia that is now 90% white. And in fact, the way it became so white is a shady story itself, one that directly illustrates the need for laws against discrimination in housing.
No. There is no situation in which a business owner has to do business with any one person. The business owner cannot discriminate against the entire class of people.
Not protected classes. And some of those are behavior. Discriminating against a person based on characteristics is different than discriminating based on their behavior. (This is the distinction some conservatives are drawing, as if gay guys are going to come to the supermarket to buy a cake and just start fucking.)