# The real reason why Hillary lost **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 2, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164 "2018-07-02T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/41 "2018-07-03T14:04:56Z")
You guys might do better if, instead of having to parse precisely which debate your candidate cheated in, you maybe pick one that just doesn’t cheat. It’s an idea, at least. Mull it over. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/42 "2018-07-03T14:07:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I did not ignore anything. > > If **iiandyiiii** wants to be very specific to gloss over Clinton receiving questions during the primary then fine. But I would submit it makes it a heck of a lot easier for people to buy the fake news about receiving questions during the general when we know she did receive questions during the primary and overall helps cement people’s distrust of her. You say you did not ignore anything. Well, I accept that. By conflating two different events you are misleading your readers. You are absolutely correct, in my opinion, that the disreputable actions of the DNC chair hurt Clinton and cemented people’s distrust of her. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/43 "2018-07-03T14:10:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You guys might do better if, instead of having to parse precisely which debate your candidate cheated in, you maybe pick one that just doesn’t cheat. It’s an idea, at least. Mull it over. I tend to doubt Democrats will consider advice from someone who gleefully continues to support and defend an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. Most of us have a moral system that wouldn’t allow that. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/44 "2018-07-03T14:13:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You guys might do better if, instead of having to parse precisely which debate your candidate cheated in, you maybe pick one that just doesn’t cheat. It’s an idea, at least. Mull it over. I would love to. I would LOVE to vote for a candidate that didn’t lie and didn’t cheat. But in the 2016 presidential election we weren’t given that choice. Sigh, for the good old days-if they ever existed. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/45 "2018-07-03T14:14:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I tend to doubt Democrats will consider advice from someone who gleefully continues to support and defend an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. Most of us have a moral system that wouldn’t allow that. Really? For how many years did Democrats gleefully support Bill Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/46 "2018-07-03T14:15:11Z")
> [@rbroome](#): > > I would love to. I would LOVE to vote for a candidate that didn’t lie and didn’t cheat. But in the 2016 presidential election we weren’t given that choice. Sigh, for the good old days-if they ever existed. I can heartily agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/47 "2018-07-03T14:15:14Z")
**HD:** What violations of consent and sexual abuse are you referring to? > [@rbroome](#): > > I would love to. I would LOVE to vote for a candidate that didn’t lie and didn’t cheat. But in the 2016 presidential election we weren’t given that choice. For the opposition’s propaganda outlets to call a candidate a liar and cheater doesn’t make it true. Pity you bought into it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/48 "2018-07-03T14:26:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Really? For how many years did Democrats gleefully support Bill Clinton? So your defense is essentially “some Democrats also did so 20 years ago”? Hey, whatever makes you feel better about gleefully supporting and defending an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. Not my thing, but some folks are okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/49 "2018-07-03T14:31:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So your defense is essentially “some Democrats also did so 20 years ago”? Hey, whatever makes you feel better about gleefully supporting and defending an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. Not my thing, but some folks are okay with that. Sure, when the argument is “my side wouldn’t do this”, pointing out that they actually HAVE done it seems sufficient to disprove the claim. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/51 "2018-07-03T14:38:16Z")
> [@Xaker](#): > > Oh, please, don’t act like both sides haven’t had leaks from CNN. … See post #46 ETA: I don’t think it was some great feat of predicting the future to imagine that questions about that incident might come up and being prepared to rebut them. This is certainly nothing like the smoking gun of Brazile’s emails. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/53 "2018-07-03T14:45:29Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure, when the argument is “my side wouldn’t do this”, pointing out that they actually HAVE done it seems sufficient to disprove the claim. That wasn’t the argument, but hey, I understand that it probably sucks to be reminded that one gleefully supports and defends an admitted violator of consent and abuser of women, so trying to deflect makes sense. I’m still hopeful that one day you’ll realize how damaging sexual assault and violations of consent are to Americans and to our society. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/54 "2018-07-03T14:45:46Z")
> [@Xaker](#): > > Right, right, and somehow Trump magically knew Anderson Cooper was going to make a mistake in his reporting and the mistake would not be in Trump’s favor… I don’t think it’s some great feat of predicting the future to imagine that Anderson Cooper would make a mistake in his reporting either. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/55 "2018-07-03T14:53:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That wasn’t the argument… Then you should try being more clear in making your arguments, because that’s how this comes across: > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I tend to doubt Democrats will consider advice from someone who gleefully continues to support and defend an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. Most of us have a moral system that wouldn’t allow that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/56 "2018-07-03T14:55:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure, when the argument is “my side wouldn’t do this”, pointing out that they actually HAVE done it seems sufficient to disprove the claim. Do you really think you’ve done that? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/57 "2018-07-03T14:56:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Do you really think you’ve done that? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/58 "2018-07-03T14:57:12Z")
Where? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/59 "2018-07-03T14:59:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Where? See post #45 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/60 "2018-07-03T15:02:51Z")
Nope, already replied to right afterward, still awaiting your response. Not really expecting it, though. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/61 "2018-07-03T15:07:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **HD:** What violations of consent and sexual abuse are you referring to? … > **[Bill Clinton sexual assault and misconduct allegations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations)** > > Bill Clinton, the 42nd president of the United States (1993–2001), has been publicly accused of sexual assault and/or sexual misconduct by several women: Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in 1978; Leslie Millwee accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980; Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 as well as sexually harassing her; and Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without her consent in 1993. The Jones allegations became public in... ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164/62 "2018-07-03T15:10:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Then you should try being more clear in making your arguments, because that’s how this comes across: Whatever you need to avoid discussing the fact that you gleefully and continually support and defend an admitted violator of consent and sexual abuser. You be you, man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-real-reason-why-hillary-lost/817164.md?page=4)