# The \*REALLY\* crazy conspiracy theory: WTC buildings downed by controlled demolition **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 29, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991 "2007-05-29T22:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Silk\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Silk\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silk_One)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/181 "2007-06-03T14:53:01Z")
f the government wants to stop being accused of being involved in 9/11 they only need to do a few simple things. There were numerous cameras at the Pentagon, and cameras at a nearby gas station (which the FBi stole the tape minutes after the impact). They just need to show us those tapes. Instead we get a 5 frame video that clearly shows a smoke trail from a shaped charge. Then they need to release the black box information. Since workers found all of the black boxes, but the FBI stole those and said they were melted. I mean, looking at the crash in Pennsylvania…there is nothing there but a hole in the ground. They could also have an independent commission that wasn’t controlled by Zelikow, a guy that had ties to the Administration for years. they could also release the 20+ pages they revoked prior to printing. They could also allow bush and cheney to be interviewed publicly and under oath, instead of both meeting together, not under oath, and all notes taken had to be turned in prior to leaving. If that doesn’t smell cover-up, then I don’t know. And then we have the $100k transferred to Atta about a week prior to 9/11. That was proven to have come from the head of Pakistan’s ISI, who happened to be at the Whitehouse the week before 9/11… [http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html](http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html) [http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html](http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/182 "2007-06-03T15:47:30Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] f the government wants to stop being accused of being involved in 9/11 they only need to do a few simple things. There were numerous cameras at the Pentagon, and cameras at a nearby gas station (which the FBi stole the tape minutes after the impact). [/QUOTE] Several tapes (which were seized as evidence, not ‘stolen’) were released. They showed pretty much nothing. Security cameras tend to not be pointed at other people’s buildings. > [@](#): > > They just need to show us those tapes. Instead we get a 5 frame video that clearly shows a smoke trail from a shaped charge. Ah. So five frames is ‘clearly’ and shaped charges have smoke trails? This is new to me. > [@](#): > > Then they need to release the black box information. They did. > [@](#): > > Since workers found all of the black boxes, but the FBI stole those and said they were melted. The WTC black boxes were destroyed. The Pentagon Black Box was found and its data was released. A bunch of wannabee pilots embarassed themselves trying to ‘prove’ no plane was there. > [@](#): > > I mean, looking at the crash in Pennsylvania…there is nothing there but a hole in the ground. What the hell do you expect to be there? Its soft ground (reclaimed mining area) and the plane was going down hard and fast! > [@](#): > > They could also have an independent commission that wasn’t controlled by Zelikow, a guy that had ties to the Administration for years. they could also release the 20+ pages they revoked prior to printing. They could also allow bush and cheney to be interviewed publicly and under oath, instead of both meeting together, not under oath, and all notes taken had to be turned in prior to leaving. If that doesn’t smell cover-up, then I don’t know. That’s smells of partisanship being used as a substitute for real evidence. > [@](#): > > And then we have the $100k transferred to Atta about a week prior to 9/11. That was proven to have come from the head of Pakistan’s ISI, who happened to be at the Whitehouse the week before 9/11.. > > [http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html](http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html) > > [http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html](http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html) And we find that the **only** source for this alleged money transfer is from an Indian newspaper. 'scuse me if I don’t buy it. Seriously, its like you pulled all your arguements straight out of Loose Change. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/183 "2007-06-03T16:13:06Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] f the government wants to stop being accused of being involved in 9/11 they only need to do a few simple things. There were numerous cameras at the Pentagon, and cameras at a nearby gas station (which the FBi stole the tape minutes after the impact). They just need to show us those tapes. Instead we get a 5 frame video that clearly shows a smoke trail from a shaped charge. Then they need to release the black box information. Since workers found all of the black boxes, but the FBI stole those and said they were melted. I mean, looking at the crash in Pennsylvania…there is nothing there but a hole in the ground. They could also have an independent commission that wasn’t controlled by Zelikow, a guy that had ties to the Administration for years. they could also release the 20+ pages they revoked prior to printing. They could also allow bush and cheney to be interviewed publicly and under oath, instead of both meeting together, not under oath, and all notes taken had to be turned in prior to leaving. If that doesn’t smell cover-up, then I don’t know. And then we have the $100k transferred to Atta about a week prior to 9/11. That was proven to have come from the head of Pakistan’s ISI, who happened to be at the Whitehouse the week before 9/11.. [http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html](http://911research.com/pentagon/evidence/photos/bluehi.html) [http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html](http://911research.com/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater3.html) [/QUOTE] OK, so since all of the WTC arguments that you made were absolute non-starters, in the sense of being 100% unsupported by any factual information, we’re now switching over to the Pentagon and the crash in Pennsylvania? As you’ll notice from previous posts, the way to debate (at least around here) is to provide cites for claims that you make. If you don’t do that people will generally assume that you’re just making stuff up. Case in point, your first link shows photos of firemen hosing down the Pentagon. No smoke trails, no shaped charges, etc. I’m not sure what the point is. Your second link shows two aerial photos of the crash site in Pennsylvania. I assume that those are supposed to support the contention that there was nothing left after Flight 93 crashed? Unfortunately this doesn’t square with the **other** photos, the large amounts of physical evidence, eyewitnesses, etc. > **[From Razor Burn to Radiance – Why Dermablading Is the Secret to Smooth Makeup...](https://www.debunk911myths.org)** > > Discover how dermablading and smart skincare tools create a smooth, radiant base for flawless makeup and glowing skin. > **[911myths](https://web.archive.org/web/20191216033221/http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)** > **[911myths](https://web.archive.org/web/20191216033221/http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)** > **[911myths](https://web.archive.org/web/20191216033221/http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)** Again, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with those two photos. Agreed that there’s no shell of an airplane sitting there in plain sight but you wouldn’t expect that when an airliner full of fuel is flown into the ground at extremely high speed. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/184 "2007-06-03T16:13:40Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] f the government wants to stop being accused of being involved in 9/11 they only need to do a few simple things. There were numerous cameras at the Pentagon, and cameras at a nearby gas station (which the FBi stole the tape minutes after the impact). They just need to show us those tapes. Instead we get a 5 frame video that clearly shows a smoke trail from a shaped charge. [/QUOTE] [Here you go.](http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Longsought_911_videotape_didnt_capture_attack_0915.html) The Citgo station security camera tapes as requested. You’ll notice they don’t actually show the impact. Security cameras at a gas station tend to be aimed at the gas station, not large buildings off in the distance. > [@](#): > > Then they need to release the black box information. Since workers found all of the black boxes, Cite? > [@](#): > > but the FBI stole those and said they were melted. I mean, looking at the crash in Pennsylvania…there is nothing there but a hole in the ground. [Flight 77 and 93 FDR data can be downloaded here](http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3696132) It’s a big download. FDRs from the planes that hit the towers were never recovered. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/185 "2007-06-03T16:28:44Z")
As I’ve mentioned in earlier threads on this subject I know a person–then a firefighter, now a cop–who saw the plane heading towards the pentagon and was driving the first truck on the scene. Also, while I’m here, **Silk One** do you have any counter arguments to anything anyone’s posted above? Right now the thread is going like this Silk One: 9/11 was a conspiracy! Look at this link! Random Poster: Here’s why that link is BS. ::gives explanation and counter-link:: Silk One: Look at _this_ link! Random Poster: Here’s why the new link is BS. ::explanation and counter link:: repeat ad nauseum. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/186 "2007-06-03T16:38:00Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Also, while I’m here, **Silk One** do you have any counter arguments to anything anyone’s posted above? [/QUOTE] Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer to this one! Call on me! ---
**Author:** ![Silk\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Silk\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silk_One)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/187 "2007-06-04T15:28:57Z")
Core Design: > **[9-11 Research: The Core Structures](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html)** > > structural cores of the World Trade Center Twin Towers,core columns Eyewitness Explosions: > **[9-11 Research: Eyewitness Accounts](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html)** > > Eyewitness accounts of the destruction of the Twin Towers Black Boxes: > **[9-11 Research: Black Boxes](https://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html)** > > black boxes,flight data recorder,cockpit voice recorder, Flight 77,Flight 11,Flight 93,crash Pentagon Frames (Vapor Trails): [http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse](http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse) they’d still be standing because the floors around it would slide around ths/dodvideos.html Firefighter explanation of minimal fires: [http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html](http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html) Fire analysis: > **[9-11 Research: The Fires](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/index.html)** > > The fires in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01,fire temperatures,steel It is important to know that since all metal columns were connected, heating a point would make it react like a heatsink and the heat would spread along all connected steel. It wouldn’t be able to focus on one area and melt/weaken it. Pre-Attack Power outages: > **[Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down : LA IMC](https://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php)** > > The Los Angeles Independent Media Center publishes progressive activist news in Los Angeles and including parts of Ventura, Santa Barbara, Riverside, and Orange counties. Leftist perspectives, including social democrat, anarchist, communist,... Anomalies: > **[9-11 Research: 9-11 Anomalies](https://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html)** > > 9-11 anomalies,attack,run-up,response,coincidences,contradictions ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/188 "2007-06-04T15:39:38Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Core Design: > **[9-11 Research: The Core Structures](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html)** > > structural cores of the World Trade Center Twin Towers,core columns [/QUOTE] Despite whining by CTers, I have yet to encounter an engineer who has a problem with the term ‘hollow steel shaft’. > [@](#): > > Eyewitness Explosions: > [9-11 Research: Eyewitness Accounts](http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html) [Not as strong as you might have us believe.](http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html) > [@](#): > > Black Boxes: > [9-11 Research: Black Boxes](http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html) Data released. Get with the times. > [@](#): > > Pentagon Frames (Vapor Trails): > [http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse](http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse) they’d still be standing because the floors around it would slide around ths/dodvideos.html Bad link. What the hell are you talking about? > [@](#): > > Firefighter explanation of minimal fires: > [9-11 Research: Firefighter Audiotape](http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html) 78th floor. Not the impact area. The 78th floor barely got hit with a wingtip. > **[911myths](https://web.archive.org/web/20191216033221/http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)** > [@](#): > > Fire analysis: > [9-11 Research: The Fires](http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/index.html) > > It is important to know that since all metal columns were connected, heating a point would make it react like a heatsink and the heat would spread along all connected steel. It wouldn’t be able to focus on one area and melt/weaken it. No it wouldn’t. By your standards blacksmithery would never work. They would be unable to heat a portion of the bar: [www.jeromegerull.de/.../](http://www.jeromegerull.de/.../) the-blacksmith-254.jpg > [@](#): > > Pre-Attack Power outages: > [Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down : LA IMC](http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php) Rejected even by your CT crowd since there’s zero evidence for it. > **[9-11 Review: UNLIKELY: 'The South Tower Was Powered Down Before the Attack'](http://911review.com/errors/wtc/forbes.html)** > [@](#): > > Anomalies: > [9-11 Research: 9-11 Anomalies](http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html) [/QUOTE] Nothing worth a damn, and most of it based on disproven evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/189 "2007-06-04T15:41:55Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Core Design: > **[9-11 Research: The Core Structures](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html)** > > structural cores of the World Trade Center Twin Towers,core columns Eyewitness Explosions: > **[9-11 Research: Eyewitness Accounts](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html)** > > Eyewitness accounts of the destruction of the Twin Towers Black Boxes: > **[9-11 Research: Black Boxes](https://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html)** > > black boxes,flight data recorder,cockpit voice recorder, Flight 77,Flight 11,Flight 93,crash Pentagon Frames (Vapor Trails): [http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse](http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videopse) they’d still be standing because the floors around it would slide around ths/dodvideos.html Firefighter explanation of minimal fires: > **[9-11 Research: Firefighter Audiotape](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html)** Fire analysis: > **[9-11 Research: The Fires](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/index.html)** > > The fires in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01,fire temperatures,steel It is important to know that since all metal columns were connected, heating a point would make it react like a heatsink and the heat would spread along all connected steel. It wouldn’t be able to focus on one area and melt/weaken it. Pre-Attack Power outages: > **[Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down : LA IMC](https://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php)** > > The Los Angeles Independent Media Center publishes progressive activist news in Los Angeles and including parts of Ventura, Santa Barbara, Riverside, and Orange counties. Leftist perspectives, including social democrat, anarchist, communist,... Anomalies: > **[9-11 Research: 9-11 Anomalies](https://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html)** > > 9-11 anomalies,attack,run-up,response,coincidences,contradictions [/QUOTE] Why? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/190 "2007-06-04T15:42:30Z")
> [@Silk One](#): > > It is important to know that since all metal columns were connected, heating a point would make it react like a heatsink and the heat would spread along all connected steel. It wouldn’t be able to focus on one area and melt/weaken it. Then welding shouldn’t work either. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/191 "2007-06-04T15:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=mlees] Then welding shouldn’t work either. [/QUOTE] And neither would thermite 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/192 "2007-06-04T15:52:08Z")
I’d post a link to an actual picture of [steel beams warped by fire](http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/woodbeambentsteel.jpg/woodbeambentsteel-full.jpg), but I don’t think it’d do any good. I don’t think **Silk One** actually reads any of the responses to his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Silk\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Silk\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silk_One)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/193 "2007-06-04T16:08:01Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] Despite whining by CTers, I have yet to encounter an engineer who has a problem with the term ‘hollow steel shaft’. [/quote] Did you take a look at the picture at the bottom of the link? [QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] Data released. Get with the times. [/quote] Yu’re saying that the data from the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 were released? [QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] Bad link. What the hell are you talking about? [/quote] > **[Pentagon Attack Frame-Up](https://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/vaportrail.html)** [QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] No it wouldn’t. By your standards blacksmithery would never work. They would be unable to heat a portion of the bar: [www.jeromegerull.de/.../](http://www.jeromegerull.de/.../) the-blacksmith-254.jpg [/quote] I’ll get back to you on that. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/194 "2007-06-04T16:15:12Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Did you take a look at the picture at the bottom of the link? Yu’re saying that the data from the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 were released? > **[Pentagon Attack Frame-Up](https://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/vaportrail.html)** I’ll get back to you on that. [/QUOTE] Why? ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/195 "2007-06-04T16:33:01Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Yu’re saying that the data from the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 were released? [/QUOTE] There is no evidence that the flight data recorders from these flights were ever recovered. By the way, have you downloaded and examined the data from flights 77 and 93 yet? I did post the link for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/196 "2007-06-04T17:01:11Z")
[QUOTE=Silk One] Did you take a look at the picture at the bottom of the link? [/QUOTE] Yes. The core as a whole is still accurately described as a hollow steel shaft. Deal with it. > [@](#): > > Yu’re saying that the data from the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 were released? No. They were destroyed. The others were recovered. BTW, black box data is actually the property of the airlines. It may be confiscated as evidence by the FBI or NTSB, but it still belongs to the airlines. Nonetheless, data for the Pentagon and PA crashes was released. My point is that your link doesn’t acknowledge this. It is way out of date. > [@](#): > > [Pentagon Attack Frame-Up](http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/vaportrail.html) That’s reading waaaaaay too much into the picture. > [@](#): > > I’ll get back to you on that. Just as soon as you learn about basic metalurgy. Heat in metals does not move in the same rate as electricity. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/197 "2007-06-04T17:03:06Z")
[QUOTE=AndrewL] I’d post a link to an actual picture of [steel beams warped by fire](http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/woodbeambentsteel.jpg/woodbeambentsteel-full.jpg), but I don’t think it’d do any good. I don’t think **Silk One** actually reads any of the responses to his posts. [/QUOTE] What’s more amusing is that those metal beams are still being held up by a wooden beam. Betcha he thinks that steel beams are better than thick wooden beams (8 x10) in a fire. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/198 "2007-06-04T17:56:32Z")
[QUOTE=Valgard] And neither would thermite 😃 [/QUOTE] Or metal cooking pots, since the handle would always be just as hot as the part of the pan touching the element. ---
**Author:** ![bobsled](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5e925/32.png) [@bobsled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsled)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991/199 "2007-06-04T18:08:48Z")
I’m not sure about 9/11; I doubt government involvement. But the case of the flight control tapes being thoroughly destroyed just afterwards has always been a concern of mine. [http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/05/07/faa\_managers\_destroyed\_911\_tape/](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/05/07/faa_managers_destroyed_911_tape/) What do you guys make of it? ---
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[QUOTE=bobsled] I’m not sure about 9/11; I doubt government involvement. But the case of the flight control tapes being thoroughly destroyed just afterwards has always been a concern of mine. [http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/05/07/faa\_managers\_destroyed\_911\_tape/](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/05/07/faa_managers_destroyed_911_tape/) What do you guys make of it? [/QUOTE] The explanation is in the article you linked to. It wasn’t “flight control tapes” … it was an informal interview with the air traffic controllers immeditately after everything was over. Apparently it was contrary to standard FAA procedure and the manager involved destroyed the tape because he felt it was unfair to the controllers who might not have been in the right state of mind to consent to the taping. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-really-crazy-conspiracy-theory-wtc-buildings-downed-by-controlled-demolition/405991.md?page=11)